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10/09/2007 Regular Meeting KODIAK ISLAND BOROUGH r(5)r~ i~ [I ",..;Dll ~ " .., II PARKS & RECREATION COMMI tEENOV 1 6 2007 :1)1 REGULARME~:~~~~TOBER 9, OOS}___',; C' 'F'(C,~JC~ CALL TO ORDER The regular meeting of the Parks & Recreation Committee was called to order at 7:00p.m. by CHAIR SIROFCHUCK on October 9, 2007 in the KIB School District Conference Room. ROLL CALL r---C-~~~tt~;--i\,ii~b-i~;---rp~;-~;~tT--E~~~-~-id---r-Ab;~~t-T--------------------Oth-i~;-p;;~-i~-t----------------------I , I I I I I I I I , I I I I I I I t-___________~______________________________________ot--------------------1------------------------......---------------------------------.--------------------------------------------------------------1 i Mike Sirofchuck-Chair 1 X I 1 1 Bud Cassidy ! 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David Heuman i r---------------------------------------------------T--------------------~-------------------.--_r--------------------...,----------------------------------------------------------------------------1 ! Cassandra Juenper i i X! ! i 1---------------------------------.Q.----------------4--------------------~----------------------+-------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------1 ! Lori Demi I X I I I i ~-----------------,c,-------------------------------f-------------,-----+-,------------------,-;+--------------------+---------------------,-----------------------------------------------------1 !KevinM}!!p.hy '. ....... . .1... X.,,! ....1> .'. . .\>1.. .... ......... .. i l...~.~~g~~~~:~; A quorum was established. VICE CHAIR FOREMAN MOVED TO EXCUSE COMMITTEE MEMBERS JUENGER and DEMI. The motion was SECONDED by COMMITTEE MEMBER SCHOEDER, and it CARRIED by unanimous voice vote. III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA COMMITTEE MEMBER FOSTER MOVED TO APPROVE the agenda and include under New Business Item B. Island Lake Jet Ski Ordinance. The motion was SECONDED by COMMITTEE MEMBER FOREMAN, and CARRIED by unanimous voice vote. MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING Regular meeting of: . September 25,2007 COMMITTEE MEMBER HUNTLEY MOVED TO APPROVE the September 25, 2007 Parks & Recreation minutes as submitted. The motion was SECONDED by COMMITTEE MEMBER FOSTER, and it CARRIED by unanimous voice vote. AUDIENCE COMMENTS AND APPEARANCE REQUESTS Dave Heuman introduced himself and said he submitted a nomination for the need of trail management for Jack & Lee Lakes-Natural Use Area. Page 1 of5 COMMITTEE MEMBER DEMI arrived at 7:l0 pm. OLD BUSINESS A) 2008 CIP List . Womens Bay Jack & Lee Lakes Trail Management Cassidy stated he took the overall CIP List and broke out the Recreation & Culture Projects. Staff advertised in the newspaper for recreation & culture project nominations for Parks & Recreation review so it could go on the Borough CIP List. Heuman and TSCHERSICH submitted nominations. The purpose of the CIP process is a grassroots approach to projects that can be nominated from committees, individuals or groups, and works its way up through Parks and Rec, Planning & Zoning, and eventually goes to the Assembly where it will be prioritized before it goes to Juneau. This year it has been reduced to the top ten. Chris Lynch asked if these are their top nine projects now. If the new thing is trails and land management then that's what you should be recommending. Cassidy stated even though we spend a lot of time and energy on these projects and very few are funded there's value in having this list because it shows our priorities, and if the legislature decides to fund something, we will have our list. Dave Heuman, President of the Womens Bay Community Council stated they spent the last 4 or 5 years working on the Womens Bay Comp Plan Update. An ongoing goal is the Jack & Lee Lakes Natural Use Area. There's been very little done to identify it, mark it, or preserve it. The Borough has tried to do land disposals but they weren't approved. The WBCC's goal is to keep this area as a unit. Heuman's concern is the degradation of the land by different user groups. He said there was a footbridge, toilet, and signage that disappeared. The consensus from Womens Bay was to ensure the integrity of that land stays in a good, natural setting. Long term, eventually, there may be a need for a water source. If it is cut up and sold then that option is gone. He feels there should be land kept accessible. SAL TONST ALL suggested trails for different uses. FOSTER feels the problem is the kids because they don't respect the other user groups. He said it comes down to an enforcement issue because it only affects the ones that respect the use, and you aren't stopping the ones causing the problems just hurting the ones that do respect the use. During discussion the committee decided which projects to submit and in what order. COMMITTEE MEMBER FOSTER MOVED to keep the list as is except put the Trails Plan as # 1 and move everything down. The motion FAILED due to a lack of a second. VICE CHAIR FOREMAN MOVED to except the following list as our CIP List and forward it to the Planning & Zoning Commission: 1. Road System Trails Plan 6. East Softball Field 2. Mill Bay Beach 7. Bike Path Extension 3. Womens Bay Boat Ramp 8. Softball Field Complex 4. White Sands 9. Rodeo and State Fairgrounds Improvements 5. A TV Park lO. BMX Bicycle Street Course The motions was SECONDED by COMMITTEE MEMBER FOSTER, and it CARRIED by unanimous voice vote. Page 2 of5 B) Winter Uses on Kodiak Lakes and the Conflicts Associated with Snow Machines, ATV's, Ice Fishing, etc. Cassidy stated the process starts with the public hearing aspect, and to gain input you can do mailings, public hearings, talk to the public, public service announcements, etc. SIROFCHUCK stated we could be generating more of the type of questions that might go into the ad. SAL TONST ALL said one issue is ice-skating and skiing, so maybe we could keep motorized access 100 feet from the shore in the winter. It was the consensus of the committee the different uses do different damage to the ice and snow. HUNTLEY asked if this is for all lakes in the Borough. TSCHERSICH suggested the lakes be divided into the urban area, and the road system is just so far. SCHROEDER stated what we talk about most is a desired behavior, and he believes it can be achieved with education. FOREMAN said we start at one level, and if enforcement has to be put in place it will happen. She also said we start these conversations, put the ordinances in place, and then we start the education process. Enforcement will come eventually. SIROFCHUCK stated the ordinance is part of the education. The posting of the signs stating the area is closed to motorized vehicles at White Sands has made a drastic reduction of damage. FOSTER stated this is more of a winter trails plan. C) Island Lake Creek Bridge Construction Cassidy stated the Borough received the money to improve the trail, and we're looking at replacing the bridge using grant money to purchase the building materials, heavy equipment on site, etc. Island Trails Network is interested in being involved. Kevin Murphy said a bridge with a 20 foot span is doable with volunteer labor and local materials, and he recommends using treated wood for the structural spans and supports, and then decking the top with rough cut wood. Ten years is the average life expectancy of rough cut wood. Murphy also said he has worked out trades with the local sawmills. He would have the sawmill come to take the tree that was a hazard and negotiate a trade for 1/3 ofthe material. Cassidy said one of the downed trees is starting to buckle and crack so he will call someone with insurance to take care of it. SCHROEDER said he took it to the ITN Board where they discussed it, and they signed a resolution to be a part of this. He also spoke to the Eagle Scouts but doesn't know if they will be involved. "'T~""'I(T ...,.TTC"IT....T~C"IC"I l~~W nu~u~~~~ A) Meeting with the Assembly and the Planning & Zoning Commission on October 11, 2007 at 7:30 pm in the KIB Conference Room Cassidy stated he heard some frustration about what does the Assembly want you to do. It is a good opportunity to ask these questions and talk about what you are doing. Page 3 of 5 B) Island Lake Jet Ski Ordinance SIROFCHUCK said the Assembly didn't ask for our input on this, but he felt it was appropriate given their duty as an advisory committee to look at the present form of the ordinance, and if we want to make a recommendation to the Assembly we can if we choose. Originally, there was an ordinance to ban all motorized watercraft from Island Lake, and then in the work session after considerable discussion you have this ordinance that codifies basically what the task force came up with lO years ago. There were some minor changes but it was put into ordinance form. SALTONSTALL said he would like to see the winter use in ordinance form also. Cassidy said there is still an opportunity that this will still come back to P&R. Lynch said it is going to be discussed. It's not up for introduction. FOREMAN said if we are talking about uses of different lake areas maybe it makes more sense to think more about an umbrella type ordinance that allows certain uses for both winter and summer. TSCHERSICH said (inaudible) that the Borough is only authorized to regulate summer use, and (inaudible). SAL TONST ALL stated he was going to Island Lake to ski but the ice would get messed up so he now goes to a Coast Guard lake. If someone can't do something on one lake they will just go to another lake. Cassidy said there are boating regulations that take effect on lakes so there are already some State standards. There isn't anything on winter use, but through our zoning code we can do summer and winter activities. We have the authority to regulate. HUNTLEY said the only thing he sees different is the time period. Lynch said there are two separate things here: there is the substituted ordinance (the first 2 pages) that was before the Assembly at Thursday night's meeting; then, the motion that Lynch made that was turned down, and then it was postponed. It wiil go to another meeting with a substitute version that can be a variation of this. Lynch stated a recommendation from a committee that also has experience in trying to come up with trails use for many different users and many different locations would be helpful. She liked what SAL TONST ALL said about having a whole ordinance just for Island Lake when there are so many lakes. TSCHERSICH stated it's the same with the controversy of motorized uses and non-motorized uses oftrails. One group is more destructive than the other. (Inaudible) SAL TONST ALL feels we can make an ordinance for summer use, but not for winter use. COMMITTEE MEMBER SALTONSTALL MOVED that the committee supports the codification of the Task Force Rules of the Lake with the addition of "The Rules shall be posted and include the enforcement officer's contact number" and "The Rules of the Lake shall be deferred to Parks and Recreation Committee for annual review."COMMITTEE MEMBER HUNTLEY SECONDED the motion. It was the consensus of the committee to have the annual reviews at the first meeting in November. The question was called, and it CARRIED 7-1. The Ayes-CHAIR SIROFCHUCK, VICE CHAIR FOREMAN, COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOSTER, HUNTLEY, SALTON STALL, SCHROEDER, and DEMI. The Nays-COMMITTEE MEMBER TSCHERSICH. Page 4 of5 COMMUNICATIONS There were no communications REPORTS A) Meeting schedule: . October 23, 2007 regular meeting at 7:00 p.m. in the KIB School District Conference Room. . November 13, 2007 regular meeting at 7:00 p.m. in the KIB School District Conference Room. AUDIENCE COMMENTS There were no audience comments. COMMITTEE MEMBER'S COMMENTS SIROFCHUCK said tonight's headlines says that Omar Stratman lost his case but he will appeal so we need to be proactive about recreational use of Leisnoi land. Cassidy stated it also talks about the value of public land on the road system. SAL TONST ALL said we need to designate the recreational areas as primary so we can potentially purchase or trade. SIROFCHUCK stated he would like Leisnoi to be on the October 23rd agenda. ADJOURNMENT CHAIR SIROFCHUCK requested a motion to adjourn. COMMITTEE MEMBER FOSTER MOVED TO ADJOURN the regular meeting. The motion was SECONDED by COMMITTEE MEMBER SCHROEDER, and CARRIED by unanimous voice vote. The meeting adjourned at 8:55 p.m. ATTEST By: \OkIe~On ('\5n1~ ~hP;l" ~m;th ~Pf"'rpt"r" ..........a._.&..I.LoI. ..............1..1."'.1..1., ......,..."".1. _"'4.4.L. J Community Development Department DATE APPROVED: November 13, 2007 PageSofS