09/12/2006 Regular Meeting
KODIAK ISLAND BOROUGH
PARKS & RECREATION COMMIT
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CALL TO ORDER
The regular meeting of the Parks & Recreation Committee was called to order at 7:03
p.m. by CHAIR SIROFCHUCK on September 12, 2006 in the Borough Conference
Room.
ROLL CALL
COMMITTEE Present Absent Excused Others Present
MEMBERs
Hans Tschersich X Duane Dvorak
Jeff Huntley LATE Community Development
Kevin Foster X Zoe Pierson
Mike Sirofchuck-Chair X Community Development
Pam Foreman X
Patrick Saltonstall X
Andy Schroeder LATE
Vacant
Vacant
Ex-Officio Members
Wayne Biessel X
Ian Fulp X
Barbara Williams X
Roy Brown X
Scott Arndt X
A quorum was established.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
COMMITTEE MEMBER FOREMAN MOVED TO APPROVE the agenda as
presented. The motion was SECONDED by COMMITTEE MEMBER
SALTONSTALL, and it CARRIED 5-0. [COMMITTEE MEMBER SCHROEDER
arrived.]
MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING
COMMITTEE MEMBER FOREMAN noted that a typographical error occurred on Page
6, approximately half-way down the page, and that text was typed as "COMMITTEE
MEMBER FOREMAN in discussion ofthe motion his truly. . ." but 'his' should instead
have been typed as 'this'. COMMITTEE MEMBER SAL TONST ALL pointed out that
on Page 5, he is identified as "Commissioner" whereas he is actually a COMMITTEE
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MEMBER. COMMITTEE MEMBER FOREMAN thereafter moved to approve the
Minutes of Meeting of August 22,2006, along with the changes noted, and the motion
was seconded by COMMITTEE MEMBER SALTONSTALL., and it CARRIED 7-0.
AUDIENCE COMMENTS AND APPEARANCE REQUESTS
CHAIR SIROFCHUK asked if there was anyone in the audience who would like to
speak, and having no response to his query, he noted the presence of the Borough's
Engineering and.Facilities Director, Bud Cassidy, and asked ifhe would like to speak.
ACTING DIRECTOR DVORAK explained that given that parks are facilities, Director
Cassidy was attending the meeting at his invitation to act "as a resource" regarding Case
No. 07-007 (see "Old Business", below) since his department oversees the Borough's
parks.
OLD BUSINESS
A) Kodiak Island Borough Capital Improvements Project ("CIP") List. CHAIR
SIROFCHUK asked ACTING DIRECTOR DVORAK to explain to the
Committee the action expected of them at this stage with regard to this matter.
The ACTING DIRECTOR stated that the Committee has not yet made a
recommendation to the Planning and Zoning Commission with regard to the
CIP list, noting that the Commission would review the CIP list and any
recommendations received and then forward its recommendation to the
Assembly, that the Commission would be reviewing this matter at their work
session scheduled for the following night (September 13, 2006) and that this
was the Committee's last opportunity to provide any input to the list. After
general discussion of the list's mechanics and the Borough's procedure, the
ACTING DIRECTOR drew the Committee's attention to the Women's Bay
Boat Ramp and Parking project, and the Committee turned its attention to
three projects: Women's Bay, Monashka Bay and Pasagshak Boat Ramp and
Parking projects. COMMITTEE MEMBER FOREMAN reminded the
Committee that a motion had been made and carried at the last meeting to
advise the Planning & Zoning Commission to increase the Economic Benefits,
Health and Quality of Life scores of the Monashka Bay and Pasagshak boat
ramp projects. The ACTING DIRECTOR advised the Committee that the
clearest form of communication of this recommendation would be to forward
amended scores to the Planning & Zoning Commission. After a lengthy
discussion ofthe scoring system and the scores already in place for the three
boat ramp projects, COMMITTEE MEMBER FOREMAN moved that the
scores for the Monashka Bay, Pasagshak and Woman's Bay Boat Ramp and
Parking projects be raised to '3' for "Economic Benefits" and '3' for "Health
and Quality of Life". COMMITTEE MEMBER SALTONSTALL seconded
the motion. CHAIR SIROFCHUK authorized a roll call vote. The roll was
read, and the motion was carried unanimously, 7-0.
Pursuant to a COMMITTEE MEMBER's question during the discussion of
Economic Benefits, Health and Quality of Life, CHAIR SIROFCHUK
directed the Committee's attention to the "Public Support and Safety" for the
three projects' scores. CHAIR SIROFCHUK moved that the scores under
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"Public Support" and "Safety" for the Pasagshak Boat Ramp and Parking
project be increased to '3'. COMMITTEE MEMBER FOREMAN seconded
the Motion. Upon COMMITTEE MEMBER FOREMAN's question regarding
the length oftime during which the Pasagshak Boat Ramp and Parking project
had been on the CIP list, ACTING DIRECTOR DVORAK asked DIRECTOR
CASSIDY to speak to this question and review the Borough's procedures with
regard to the CIP list. DIRECTOR CASSIDY explained funding sources
among other things and advised the Committee to "give it their best shot".
General discussion of the safety of landings and sailing experience's influence
on recreational users followed Director Cassidy's presentation. CHAIR
SIROFCHUK authorized a roll call vote on the motion made and seconded,
and it carried unanimously, 7-0.
CHAIR SIROFCHUK asked if there were any further issues to be discussed
with regard to the CIP list, and COMMITTEE MEMBER FOREMAN pointed
out that the baseball and softball field projects lacked pricing. There was a
general discussion, including participation by DIRECTOR CASSIDY, of
pricing in general and in particular with regard to funding several projects.
CHAIR SIROFCHUK directed all those present who maintain contact with
the backers ofthe baseball/softball field projects to urge them to step forward
with specific information.
CHAIR SIROFCHUK asked if there were any further issues to be discussed
with regard to the CIP list, and COMMITTEE MEMBER TSCHERSICH
drew the Committee's attention to the "Safety" score for the bike path
extensions project. After discussion which concluded that the project is a
study which does not yet affect "Safety", CHAIR SIROFCHUCK asked if the
Committee had anything else to add to the discussion. COMMITTEE
MEMBER FOREMAN drew the Committee's attention to the BaranofPark
Track and Field Replacement project. A general discussion regarding those
projects which fall within the City's or both the City's and Borough's purview
ensued. CHAIR SIROFCHUK asked if there were any further comments with
regard to the CIP list, specifically addressing Director Cassidy, who stated
that he was leaving the meeting as he had offered the information he had. The
Committee thanked him as he left. CHAIR SIROFCHUK concluded the
discussion by reminding those present that the Planning and Zoning
Commission would be reviewing the CIP list on September 13, 2006, and that
he encouraged COMMITTEE MEMBERs with information to provide to the
Commission to attend this meeting.
NEW BUSINESS
A. Case No. S06-011. CHAIR SIROFCHUK directed the Committee's attention to
Case No. S06-011. ACTING DIRECTOR DVORAK introduced the matter,
stating that he was not sure that it falls under the purview of the Parks and
Recreation Committee. While presenting a full-size map of the preliminary plat to
the Committee, he explained the preliminary approval had already been granted,
that Mr. Stratman, the agent, had proposed a 60-foot wide access and utility
easement which ties in with the Chiniak Highway-Pasagshak Road intersection
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which creates a four-way intersection and which goes to the back of the
subdivision. He noted that the proposal contains a flag stem ostensibly for Lot No.
2 but which potentially could be used by Lots 1,2 and 3 since there is no specific
statement regarding its use and that staff had recommended as a condition for
approval that the owner be required, in the case of further subdivision of the
adjoining property, owned by Lesnois, at Borough request, to convert it to a
dedication, thereby facilitating the creation of a Service District, since the
Borough is unable to create a Service District without a public right-of way. Thus,
the staff was attempting to ensure that should further subdivision of the area
occur, public right-of-way could be established, providing a mechanism for
collective road maintenance. ACTING DIRECTOR DVORAK, noting that the
Committee may be aware of the following, stated that Mr. Stratman has an
adversarial relationship with Lesnois and strenuously objected to this condition
for approval. However, he did not make his objection known until after the appeal
period following the original placement ofthe condition on the plat had elapsed.
He has since applied for an amendment of the plat which would remove this
condition. Currently, access can be used by another subdivider regardless of the
public right-of-way issue; staffs perspective merely had been that this particular
easement, given its direct link to the existing intersection, would be the most
suitable location for a public right-of-way. IfMr. Stratman cuts off this access
altogether, any other subdivision in the area would have to create access running
by the Kalsin Bay Pond site or Lot 7, which is substantially lower and is on the
mountainside. ACTING DIRECTOR DVORAK explained that Mr. Stratman was
threatening to combine Lots 1 and 2 together, losing a lot, rather than provide
access to land beyond his. He noted that although the matter is mostly outside of
the Committee's purview, this is a community issue which staff felt it prudent to
address and that the Planning and Zoning Commission will decide the matter
which is not a matter which should not inspire extreme action but that it was
merely an attempt to engage in good planning. COMMITTEE MEMBER
SAL TONST ALL stated his opinion that the plat note should be retained. CHAIR
SIROFCHUK voiced his approval of the plat note, noting that it made sense.
COMMITTEE MEMBER FOREMAN noted that she did not see any sense in
allowing an action which would force future developers of the area to work
around the lack of access to the flag stem, an opinion to which COMMITTEE
MEMBER SALTONSTALL added the comment that at that time the matter
would impinge on recreational issues since there is a recreational area beyond the
subject property and that the provision of access to it would reduce its size.
COMMITTEE MEMBER HUNTLEY pointed out that the access under
discussion is only to the property which may be developed in the future, not the
area which is currently a recreational area. COMMITTEE MEMBER FOREMAN
noted that if Mr. Stratman's request for elimination of the plat note was granted, it
would force Lesnois, if they chose to engage in development of the area, to create
access "over here" which would then create a "recreational" issue because it
would impinge on the lake zone. CHAIR SIROFCHUK questioned whether or not
the Committee should express an opinion on a matter which may not be within
their purview, to which COMMITTEE MEMBER SAL TONST ALL responded
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that it is in the Committee's purview. CHAIR SIROFCHUK acknowledged that it
could become a recreational issue in the future, a point confirmed by
COMMITTEE MEMBER FOREMAN who likewise acknowledged that it is not
in the Committee's purview at this time. CHAIR SIROFCHUK asked if the
Committee should communicate its opinion of the matter to the Planning and
Zoning Commission via a motion, a query to which ACTING DIRECTOR
DVORAK responded that it would be both preferable and appropriate for the
Committee to make a motion which states its opinion and the reasons therefor.
COMMITTEE MEMBER SAL TONST ALL expressed his distaste for addressing
this particular matter in this manner but implied that it is necessary to include
phrasing in any motion which indicates that this matter potentially affects
recreational issues in the future if Lesnois is forced to create a separate access
point to their property. COMMITTEE MEMBER HUNTLEY moved that the
Committee tell the Planning and Zoning Commission to maintain the plat note.
COMMITTEE MEMBER FOSTER seconded the motion, and CHAIR
SIROFCHUK asked if discussion was in order, a query to which he received no
response. Upon roll call vote, the motion was carried unanimously, 7-0.
B. Case No. S07-002. CHAIR SIROFCHUK drew the Committee's attention to the
City's application with regard to Alder and Natalia Lanes. ACTING DIRECTOR
DVORAK presented the Committee with a full-size map and introduced the
matter, saying that the City was requesting a replat as follow-up on its road and
utility project which is already completed. The City is proposing an access
easement. CHAIR SIROFCHUK noted that the project does not appear to
impinge on any recreational activities or areas, an assessment with which
COMMITTEE MEMBER HUNTLEY agreed. COMMITTEE MEMBER
FOREMAN commented that the project appeared "messy". COMMITTEE
MEMBER SAL TONST ALL said that the only recreational function which might
be in play in this matter is a bike path or soapbox car area, and COMMITTEE
MEMBER FOREMAN added that a toboggan run was possible in the area.
COMMITTEE MEMBER FOSTER noted that the map that they were reviewing
is only preliminary, an assessment to which COMMITTEE MEMBER
FOREMAN agreed. COMMITTEE MEMBER TSCHERSICH noted that there is
a canyon and waterfall in the vicinity which lends itself to being a scenic trail
although it is rather rugged. COMMITTEE MEMBER FOREMAN noted that the
canyon is above the subject area. COMMITTEE MEMBER FOREMAN asked if
the nearest lots were privately owned, a query to which COMMITTEE MEMBER
SALTONSTALL responded affirmatively, after which COMMITTEE MEMBER
FOREMAN opined that there is "nothing [the Committee] can really do". CHAIR
SIROFCHUK suggested that the Committee "pass on this".
C. Request for sign age banning ATVs on backside of Pillar Mountain. CHAIR
SIROFCHUK drew the Committee's attention to the issue regarding the backside
of Pillar Mountain which is in a watershed area, and he asked ifthis was in
reference to Bill Donaldson's communication, q query to which COMMITTEE
MEMBER FOREMAN and ACTING DIRECTOR DVORAK responded in the
affirmative. ACTING DIRECTOR DVORAK explained that he had received an
e-mail which served as the basis for placing the matter on the Agenda. The
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ACTING DIRECTOR had tried to respond to the complainant's concerns (he
referred to the e-mail handed out), and he had "cc'd" others who conceivably
could be helpful in the discussion. He pointed out for the sake of clarification that
this is not a "Case" (hence, the lack of a case number) but that the Agenda uses a
tabular format which usually outlines Cases, and the matter was placed on the
Agenda for review, especially since he had received prior e-mails regarding
signage in general and for the Pillar Creek area in particular. He invited the
Committee to review the e-mail and to make any comments they felt were
warranted. Discussion ensued of the exact location encompassing the watershed
area and the signs emplaced on State land by City employees after COMMITTEE
MEMBER TSCHERSICH's e-mail of concern regarding the area had been
received and reviewed by the City. The ACTING DIRECTOR noted that there is
not supposed to be any recreational use of any kind (i.e., no motorized vehicles,
no pedestrians, etc.) in the watershed area, and he elucidated EP A regulations and
the City's policy regarding this fact. A general discussion of the area, water
supply issues, trails in the area and the current use thereof ensued. COMMITTEE
MEMBER HUNTLEY redirected the discussion back to the issue of signage.
CHAIR SIROFCHUK said that signage was with reference to a different location
from the one which had been the subject of discussion at this point.
COMMITTEE MEMBER HUNTLEY responded that the same restrictions and
laws should apply and that the City's signage should be quite specific in this
regard (e.g., they should convey the message that no one is allowed up there).
COMMITTEE MEMBER SALTONSTALL pointed out that the City's current
signage says precisely that, a statement confirmed by CHAIR SIROFCHUK's
observation of the signs. More general discussion of the area's features and use,
signage and regulatory issues ensued. COMMITTEE MEMBER FOSTER stated
that the discussion had opened a "can of worms". He went on to point out that if
the Committee issues a recommendation with regard to any trespass issue, it
should do it properly for all trails in the area. COMMITTEE MEMBER
SAL TONST ALL supported this idea. However, he suggested that the Committee
encourage maintenance of the status quo. COMMITTEE MEMBER FOSTER
pointed out issues of individual responsibility versus the ability of the community
to enforce adherence to rules and regulations. CHAIR SIROFCHUK redirected
the Committee's attention to the Agenda, noting that the Agenda item was merely
to discuss Mr. Donaldson's e-mail request for signage at the two locations on the
Creek and that he did not believe that this was an issue in which the Committee
should involve itself and that as for the other issues raised during the discussion
(i.e., ATVs, hikers, watersheds, signs and access), these issues should be included
on a future agenda with more specificity, noting that he believed it was time to
"move on". A discussion clarifying the format and intent of the Agenda ensued.
CHl~~IR SIROFCHlJK then directed the Committee to consider the issue of
signage itself and to contact ACTING DIRECTOR DVORAK with regard to
placing other issues raised in Mr. Donaldson's e-mail on a future agenda. Further
discussion of the Agenda and the e-mail included in this meeting's packet ensued.
CHAIR SIROFCHUK asked if there was any discussion ofthe Agenda item.
COMMITTEE MEMBER SALTONSTALL reiterated his support of
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COMMITTEE MEMBER FOSTER's contention that signage would have to ban
all use, and he therefore recommended that the Committee take no action
whatsoever on the issue of signage. COMMITTEE MEMBER TSCHERSICH
noted that in his opinion, the area of Pillar Mountain under discussion is clearly
outside of the watershed area and that he did not see any need for signage as the
zoning currently stands. COMMITTEE MEMBER FOSTER returned to the issue
of the Agenda's format and material provided in the packet, eliciting further
clarification from ACTING DIRECTOR DVORAK. CHAIR SIROFCHUK
interjected, noting that the issues which had been brought up during the
discussion (e.g., other signs, whether or not ATVs or buffalo do more damage,
etc.) were not referenced in the e-mail. COMMITTEE MEMBER FOREMAN,
seeking to clarify the matter, interjected by quoting from her e-mail responding to
Mr. Donaldson which had been sent to all Committee Members. She continued by
saying that it was she who had requested that "questions regarding ownership" be
placed on the Agenda, quoting again the passage pertinent thereto. Further, she
reiterated that she had "cc'd" the entire Committee, and additionally, she stated
that her intent was not to answer for the Committee but simply to provide Mr.
Donaldson with "general information" regarding the actions of the Committee.
CHAIR SIROFCHUK, confirming that the Agenda item was to have been
signage, directed the Committee's attention to the issues of signage and, as
pointed out by COMMITTEE MEMBER FOREMAN, ownership, asking if
further discussion of these issues was warranted. COMMITTEE MEMBER
FOREMAN, who pointed out that the land belongs to the City, simplified the
matter by stating that the question before the Committee appeared to be: "Do we
want to recommend any signage for that location?" COMMITTEE MEMBER
SALTONSTALL responded negatively, whereupon CHAIR SIROFCHUK
reiterated that it was not an issue he felt the Committee should be involved in, and
COMMITTEE MEMBER FOREMAN stated that it appeared that they all are in
agreement.
D. Increased Recreational Use and Related Issues - Pasagshak River. CHAIR
SIROFCHUK noted that it was at his request that increased use at Pasagshak
River had been placed on the Agenda. He noted that with the completion ofthe
newly paved road, there had been a dramatic increase in use of the Pasagshak
River, especially at its mouth (e.g., camping - he noted 10 RVs parked there
recently). Further, he noted, there is no dumpster there, and the area is a park
maintained by the State. At this point, he explained that the resident host picks up
trash manually. A general discussion of trash collection in the area ensued with
COMMITTEE MEMBER SALTONSTALL commenting that State Parks had
discussed this same issue the previous evening. COMMITTEE MEMBER
FOSTER asked if the Chair had any more to report on this issue, a query to which
the CHAiR responded by saying that his concern was merely to highlight the
increased use of the area. COMMITTEE MEMBER HUNTLEY expressed his
opinion that this was a matter which must be resolved by State Parks. CHAIR
SIROFCHUK stated that this is a community issue. COMMITTEE MEMBER
FOREMAN suggested that the Committee invite Wayne Biessel, an ex-officio
Committee Member, and Don Tracy or Len Schwarz from "Sportsfish" to a
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meeting to discuss possible solutions. She commented that she found the lack of a
dumpster "bothersome for everybody". More discussion regarding increased
usage, increased trash, options for the collection thereof and for raising revenues
to pay for same ensued. CHAIR SIROFCHUK asked COMMITTEE MEMBER
SALTONSTALL ifhe could invite Wayne Biessel, Don Tracy and/or Len
Schwarz to a meeting, a query to which COMMITTEE MEMBER
SAL TONST ALL responded by saying that he would e-mail these parties to
inform them of the Committee's discussion and that he would "cc" said e-mail to
Committee Members.
E. Drafts of Chapters 7 and 9 (Last-Minute Addition to the Agenda). CHAIR
SIROFCHUK noted that ACTING DIRECTOR DVORAK had provided the
Committee with drafts of Chapters 7 and 9 of the Borough's Comprehensive Plan.
His suggestion was that Committee Members review the drafts at home, keeping
in mind the issues involving Pasagshak and Narrow Cape, and discuss them in
detail at the next meeting. ACTING DIRECTOR DVORAK wanted to reiterate
that he had asked Matt Hastie to track the changes but that Mr. Hastie has
explained that his responsibility is to compile the final draft but that he is willing
to try to put the working documents on the Web site. ACTING DIRECTOR
DVORAK expressed his uncertainty regarding the efficacy of this method. He
pointed out that the drafts he had provided had just been published the day of this
meeting which is why they had not been listed on the Agenda as an item.
COMMITTEE MEMBER HUNTLEY asked ifthe changes suggested previously
were included, a query to which ACTING DIRECTOR DVORAK responded in
the affirmative, adding that additional information - i.e., implementation
strategies - was also included. CHAIR SIROFCHUK stated that at the next
Committee meeting, the Committee's task would be to "work through" the
chapters, noting any changes on a single copy. ACTING DIRECTOR DVORAK
said that he had tried to e-mail the chapters to COMMITTEE MEMBERs but that
he had done this "one at a time", sending the "Parks and Rec" chapter first as it is
the "most applicable", and that he would send the "Transportation" chapter if
there were no technical issues in conveying the first chapter. COMMITTEE
MEMBER FOREMAN acknowledged her receipt of his e-mail. COMMITTEE
MEMBER SALTONSTALL noted that much bicycle and pedestrian information
had been removed and that the trail information was correctly placed in the
chapter. COMMITTEE MEMBER FOSTER asked if the subject of discussion
was Agenda Item D, a query to which CHAIR SIROFCHUK responded by saying
that the topic of discussion was new Agenda Item E.
COMMUNICATIONS
There were no communications.
REPORTS
A. Meeting Schedule:
September 26,2006 P&R meeting at 7:00 p.m. in the KIB conference room.
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October 10, 2006 P&R meeting at to be rescheduled at next meeting.
COMMITTEE MEMBERS' COMMENTS
CHAIR SIROFCHUK asked if there were any "Board" comments, and COMMITTEE
MEMBER FOREMAN stated that she wanted to proffer an apology to the Committee if
her e-mail response to Mr. Donaldson had distorted the issue to be presented to them.
CHAIR SIROFCHUK offered congratulations to COMMITTEE MEMBER
SCHROEDER for his participation in the "Eco Challenge", and he thanked members for
their attendance.
ADJOURNMENT
CHAIR SIROFCHUCK adjourned the meeting at 8:53 p.m.
KODIAK ISLAND BOROUGH
PARKS & RECREATION COMMITTEE
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, Zoe Pierson, Temp. Secretary .
Community Development Department
DATE APPROVED: November 14, 2006
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