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2012-03-05 Work Session KODIAK ISLAND BOROUGH PROJECT ADVISORY COMMITTEE MINUTES March 5, 2012 Work Session 5:30 p.m. in the KIB Conference Room CALL TO ORDER CHAIR VINBERG called to order the March 5, 2012 Project Advisory Committee work session at 5:38 p.m. ROLL CALL Requested to be excused was Casey Janz and Luke Smith. Roll call was taken and committee members present were Alan Torres, Sonny Vinberg, Dan Rohrer, Janet Buckingham, Ted Panamarioff, Mark Anderson, and Oliver Holm. Excused was Casey Janz. Absent was Andy Schroeder. Ex- officio member absent was Louise Stutes. A quorum was established. COMMITTEE MEMBER PANAMARIOFF MOVED to excuse Luke Smith and Casey Janz. VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY Community Development Department staff present was Duane Dvorak and Sheila Smith. Information Technology Department's Paul Van Dyke also attended. Consultant Steven Van SteenHuyse teleconferenced in. APPROVAL OF AGENDA COMMITTEE MEMBER HOLM MOVED to approve the agenda. VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS COMMITTEE MEMBER TORRES MOVED to approve the February 7, 2012 minutes. VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AUDIENCE COMMENTS AND APPEARANCE REQUESTS Maria Painter expressed concern with B &B's going to conditional uses and asked if it's a safety issue, an IFQ for B &B's, or are theta s. If there's a problem with regulation everyone who has a current i . Another concern was with Special Use -one is conditional and one blanche to do a permitted use on various uses in the code (it used C\g— alem is with no drive-tines; it's seems to be another IFQ system t 't the requirements in the code why wouldn't you have a drive -thrL or GC categories, Table 17.40.020 is helpful). Now we'll have to g is taking something else and restricting us further. Again she fee isiness shouldn't be taken away because the character of the neigh _..utter but we're going to have strip joints and naked massages poten - . __,.use of the adult use. We also need to consider accessory dwelling units; mother in law apartments limiting the square footage so your mom can live above your garage or in the house in a separate unit when she's old. Painter doesn't mean make it R2 but make it an accessory dwelling unit; it's popular and allows people to have access to rents that are less. This is important to our small community with limited land. PAC Minutes Page 1 of 4 3/5/2012 Barbara Zimmerman expressed concern about the 3 acre requirement to have a rooster. On page 80 -7 under General Requirements it says "livestock such as horses and similar animals may not be used for commercial purposes on the site such as commercial stables, etc." and she wanted to know why not. Another concern is 17.80.40 that is the lot coverage requirements, right now for accessory buildings you can only cover 10% and she feels it should be more. Another concern is Agricultural Buildings and Activities on Livestock Grazing on Remote and Conservation Districts, she stopped by the Kodiak Soil and Conservation Office today and they are unaware that they were supposed to be doing conservation plans and they don't have conservation plans with all the ranchers in Remote & Conservation Districts. Also on line 4, livestock grazing on lands not publicly owned in the RC District it says you can't put up a fence. Chris Ford, owner of Bells Flats Poultry, expressed concern and stated if this goes through it will affect her business. It says "livestock shall be raised and kept for personal use only" and then in another section was the poultry under Livestock Definition. She won't be able to provide chicks or other small poultry to the community if you just allow farming for personal use only. It also says "male chicks may not be kept on a lot less than 80,000 sq. feet." Kodiak is working on becoming a sustainable community and many people don't have 80,000 sq. feet for farming. She won't be able to hatch chicks for her customers if she doesn't have 1 or 2 roosters to fertilize eggs. She won't be able to raise meat chickens to sell because most chicks sent to you are roosters. Katja Johnson expressed concern regarding the keeping of animals greater than 55 lbs. may not be kept on a lot less than 20,000 sq. feet. If you have a' /z acre lot adjacent to yours and you wanted to turn it into a pasture it would be a shame if you aren't allowed. She feels it would discourage many aspects of poultry raising if we aren't allowed to keep roosters. They're necessary for raising poultry. We raise just enough meat and eggs for our family, and replace the old layers by hatching out the best layers she has. This has been a valuable tool for improving our lay rate and it's been a wonderful learning opportunity for her children. She butchers the males for meat when they're mature, and she does a meat bird order where she gets all roosters because they grow more efficiently and are butchered before they crow at about 3 months. When she buys replacement birds she wishes to have the option of buying Heritage breeds, rare breeds, and Bantam breeds. She would also be disappointed to see discouraged is the showing of roosters. Sam Booch stated roosters are very important for predator survivability in Kodiak. We have a lot of foxes, stray dogs, bears, hawks, and eagles. In past years when we didn't have any roosters we've had a flock of dozens wiped out in a matter of weeks, whereas, with a good rooster we normally lose maybe in single digits over a year. It's difficult to keep chickens alive when you don't have a rooster. He assumes this change to the code has to do with the noise issue with roosters on a small property and he feels there's a better resource in the code in Section 60480 for handling these sorts of problems. This kind of concern about a problem animal disrupting a neighborhood is the sort of thing that you are going to have to fall back on. Saying we aren't going to have roosters on Kodiak is not a realistic solution. Another concern was Agricultural Activities, page 20 -3, when he read Livestock For Personal Use it seems to be talking about keeping livestock for personal use but when he read Agricultural Activities it seemed to include keeping livestock for personal use, and he noticed it seemed like the zoning for RU1 and RU2 areas that you're allowed to have personal use of livestock but not allowed to have agricultural activities. Lisa Booch stated she has 2 acres and she feels her 2 acres is not going to spare any neighbors from her roosters. There are a lot of 1 acre lots that many people have purchased adjacent to them so she feels 1 rooster per 80,000 sq. feet really isn't going to do what you are hoping it will do. Most people around her likes chickens and roosters. She may have 1 neighbor who doesn't like roosters but she doesn't like their kid roaring around on their 4 wheeler, rock music blaring from the garage, or the neighbor's cat using her vegetable garden as a litter box. We have to live and let live; we can't legislate everything at a time when down south they are loosening these kinds of regulations PAC Minutes Page 2 of 4 3/5/2012 allowing suburban chicken flocks and goats. Kodiak has always had an extreme shortage of land and a lot of people who love agriculture. Kathy Cole stated she said her property is .97 acres so she wouldn't qualify for a rooster. There are people who live in this community that when she wants to get rid of chickens or ducks who buy these chickens from her. They don't speak very good English and that's why they left tonight but Cole thinks their voice should be heard. They have traditions and rituals where they use a laying hen's egg sack to make a soup with when they are pregnant so they will have a healthy child. The ethnic people should be considered also. OLD BUSINESS A) Review of the Draft Code During review and discussion the committee relayed any changes to the consultant. NEW BUSINESS There was none. COMMUNICATIONS There was none. REPORTS There were none. AUDIENCE COMMENTS Maria Painter stated she doesn't know what the committee is planning on doing about Title 16 & 18. She's only reviewed it a little, and she knows the committee hasn't had the opportunity to review it either. She feels it would be foolish as a group to accept it as is with only 1 page saying you have reviewed it. We need to take our time to review it thoroughly. COMMITTEE MEMBER'S COMMENTS COMMITTEE MEMBER TORRES requested Draft Titles 16 and 18 for the next meeting. CHAIR VINBERG directed staff to provide Titles 16, 17, & 18 as a whole. COMMITTEE MEMBER ROHRER said he realizes there is a public process and he recognizes his commitment. He's questioning going forward; it was his understanding that tonight was the last meeting. So he is clear, from today, what is the expectation of the committee. Obviously, there's the responsibility of being involved in the outreach efforts but as far as PAC meetings what is the expectation. Dvorak said no, you won't have another meeting until it goes through the public outreach process and we have the big public meeting, and then we'll come back together so the committee can consider the comments received, whether there needs to be adjustments, and how that's going to be done. Oliver Holm asked what the time frame would be expected at that stage for the public meeting? Dvorak stated we would try to have it ready to go out to the public by March 15th or 16th, and then we'll be looking at the end of April to close the public comment period so you'll be looking to a public meeting somewhere in the last 2 weeks of April, and then the 1st or 2 week of May you will have your meeting to consider the comments. Then a few changes and it will be forwarded to the commission. Janet Buckingham stated it's likely that both the P &Z and Assembly will suggest changes, and then are we out of it. PAC Minutes Page 3 of 4 3/5/2012 Dvorak stated he thinks the idea was that after you've invested all this time that you have reached back into the community of people that you can help answer questions to or explain rationale to and we would hope you would want to be somewhat involved in this process until it plays out. CHAIR VINBERG asked if there is still an expectation of sign off by PAC? Dvorak said he doesn't think so, that was Chris Beck's thoughts that it would be an important thing to have but LSL wasn't really looking for that or expecting that level of consensus. Oliver Holm said he may be out fishing when this comes back to the committee. Mark Anderson thanked staff for getting the maps to them. ADJOURNMENT COMMITTEE MEMBER ROHRER MOVED to adjourn. VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY CHAIR VINBERG adjourned the meeting at 8:21 p.m. KODIAK ISLAND BOROUGH �ROJECTAD I SRI OMMITTEE By: PITA eta Son , Vinberg, Chair 7 ATTEST By: C _LP &QTR C��l'1 Sheila Smith, Secretary APPROVED: September 6, 2012 PAC Minutes Page 4 of 4 3/5/2012