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2009-09-15 Regular Meeting PARKS & RECREATION COMMITTEE SEPTEMBER 15, 2009 REGULAR MEETING MINUTES C7 1 Lf 2009 CALL TO ORDER CHAIR SIROFCHUCK called to order the September 15, 2009 Parks & R&Teation Comiittee meeting at 7:00 p.m. ROLL CALL Committee members present were Mike Sirofchuck, Pam Foreman (arrived 7:10), Jeff Huntley, Patrick Saltonstall, Andy Schroeder, Rick Lindholm, Sandra West, and Kevin Murphy. Members excused were Hans Tschersich and Kevin Foster. COMMITTEE MEMBER SALTONSTALL MOVED TO EXCUSE Hans Tschersich and Kevin Foster. VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. APPROVAL OF AGENDA COMMITTEE MEMBER SCHROEDER MOVED to approve the September 15, 2009 agenda. VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS COMMITTEE MEMBER SALTONSTALL MOVED to approve the August 11, 2009 Parks & Recreation minutes. VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. AUDIENCE COMMENTS AND APPEARANCE REQUESTS John Crye, Fish & Game and Roger Smith attended to talk about the shooting issues. Crye stated most complaints are with the Monashka cowboy shooting ranges: the one past Pillar Creek and the one at North Sister Mountain and 1 or 2 complaints a year at White Sands. Crye invited Roger Smith to come because he does a lot with KISA and is at the rifle range. In the Bells Flats area Crye has seen people shooting at Sometimes Island, Sargent Creek, Burma Road, and there's a range farther back on Sargent Creek. At the Sargent Creek shooting range he's witnessed people shooting up towards the road when people were going down the road. As far as what to do about these ranges popping up on borough land if there is a complaint he calls the State Troopers, and he provided copies of what the Troopers can site people for. People can be sited if they are firing a gun in an unsafe manner or littering by dragging bottles and other things to shoot at. Smith said there are free days at the range and anyone can walk into the Salonie Creek Range but in order to drive in people would have to have a membership. Crye said we can't really blame hunters for this but he's seeing a lot of recreational shootings. In response to SALTONSTALL'S comment regarding creating a safe cowboy range, Smith stated KISA has locks on the ranges because we couldn't go to the ranges safely to shoot because people would come drunk and fire guns in unsafe manners. It was a mess and he got scared more than once. No one wanted to close those ranges or make them membership only but it was just a matter of a few people being able to shoot safely without being in danger all the time. As far as a 1 i , 1 formal cowboy range, it's his experience that people won't use them, they'll go somewhere else. He also said right now it's legal to shoot on public lands almost everywhere. SALTONSTALL said he is opposed to making it illegal because how do you differentiate between a hunter and a person being an idiot. Crye stated he spoke with Kenai and they have private shooting ranges like we do and in Kenai there is one that is an old runway on private land. The liability issue on the private land is huge if something happens. 1 In response to SIROFCHUCK'S inquiry about if the borough has the authority to say no shooting in certain areas, Cassidy stated the borough probably does have the authority and the attempt is to try to get the Troopers involved, and if they don't get involved at our level you should talk to the Planning & Zoning Commission and the Assembly. I OLD BUSINESS A) Park Rules During discussion it was the consensus of the committee to approve the rules as is. COMMITTEE MEMBER SCHROEDER MOVED to approve the park rules as listed: 1 • Exercise Safe, Courteous Behavior 1 • Quiet hours 10:00 p.m. - 6:00 a.m. • Dispose of Trash Properly P P Y VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. s B) Natural Use Zone Used By ATV's Cassidy said the city watershed is land the borough received from ANILCA. Ouzinkie would give us the watershed and in return they would receive additional acreage on Afognak. The 1 USGS map shows a trail that runs from Monashka Bay to Neva Cove. It's the historic trail RST247 and is a 17b easement to Ouzinkie. It's in the deed that talks about construction of a road. No one knows exactly where it's at. During the training for Trimble we are going to walk out there to take GPS readings. COMMITTEE MEMBER HUNTLEY said he's seen it on the old WWII army maps and Ray 1 Jackson is the only one he knows of that still has that map. During discussion FOREMAN said the main reason we are trying to find this out is to determine what the status of ATV use in a Natural Use Zone. If there is a 17b easement in there then that is ' an allowed use. Cassidy said it isn't a 17b easement now: Kodiak Island Borough owns the property subject to Y g P P Y J something bigger than a 17b easement and that is construction of a road. It's pretty clear it can't I be used by motorized vehicles. Cassidy thinks it can be relocated to a place where the landscape i can withstand. Cassidy will call the Feds to see what kind of coordinates he can get. 1 C) 2010 - 2014 CIP List 1 After much discussion the committee came to consensus on the projects to include. VICE CHAIR FOREMAN MOVED that as written forward as our CIP List to Planning & Zoning: a 1. Parks & Fields Plan 1 2. Multi - Purpose Fields Construction (KANA, East, Softball Complex) 2 i 3. Mill Bay Beach Site Plan & Construction 4. Bike Path Extension (Marine Hill - White Sands) 5. White Sands Beach Improvements 6. Womens Bay Boat Ramp 7. Three (3) Walking Trails to North Star 8. ATV Park 1 9. Fairgrounds Improvements VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. D) Trails Plan Update/Data Collection During discussion Cassidy said this is the first attempt to put the GPS information in the map, and 17b easements and land ownership will need to be added. In response to FOREMAN'S inquiry WEST said they want readings on all trails. Discussion on the trails and which trails are marked in the wrong locations or there is no trail there at all, and trail classifications. SALTONSTALL feels the Schaff Peak trail should be removed due to it not being a trail and Spruce Island trails should be removed due to it not being on the road system. Cassidy stated there will be Trimble GPS training at the borough on Saturday, October 4, 2009. WEST feels Long Island trails should also be removed. NEW BUSINESS There was no new business. COMMUNICATIONS A) Response letter dated August 11, 2009 B) September 16, 2009 Planning & Zoning Agenda Cassidy gave a brief report on communications and updated the committee on Case S10 -001. SIROFCHUCK plans to attend the P&Z meeting in support of the Parks & Recreation CIP List. REPORTS Meeting schedule: • September 22, 2009 P&R meeting at 7:00 p.m. in the KIB School District Conference Room • October 13, 2009 P&R meeting at 7:00 p.m. in the KIB School District Conference Room VICE CHAIR FOREMAN MOVED to cancel the September 22nd meeting. VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Staff was directed to invite State Troopers, KISA, sporting good stores, Coast Guard, and the State Parks Ranger, John Crye from Fish & Game, and Andy Kristoferson, the Enforcement Officer for the Afognak Native Corporation. SIROFCHUCK invited Mike Pheffer. AUDIENCE COMMENTS There were no audience comments. I COMMITTEE MEMBER'S COMMENTS Rick Lindholm said he liked the way Mike kept the meeting moving tonight. Jeff Huntley expressed concern regarding the project kick -off paper stating there is a lot of things in it that we have went over and over: it's a lot of ATV's did this and ATV's did that and 3 1 he hopes we aren't going to go through this again. There was a lot of stuff that went on in these meetings that he wished we would have been there. He really hopes this isn't going to start up again because this thing will come to a grinding halt again. Pam Foreman said the idea is to get multi -use and to deal with the use issues so we can solve them. Patrick Saltonstall said he will not be here for the October 13th meeting, he will be chasing goats. Cassidy said Dvorak gave them the history of the ATV group blow by blow and why it didn't work. 1 Huntley feels it goes beyond that. We will deal with it from now on because these people will get paranoid and go off and say "you're back at it again." Foreman said they need to know the history of what got us to the point of where we're going. Kevin Murphy congratulated the committee for the trails plan, the hard work done this summer, 4 and the selection of the consulting group. 1 Pam Foreman requested we move forward or get it on the agenda for whatever direction you need from us to try to re- negotiate some sort of agreement or look at an agreement for White Sands with State Parks. She requested it be on the October agenda. VICE CHAIR PAM FOREMAN MOVED to enter into discussions concerning management of White Sands Beach. 1 VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY Mike Sirofchuck said he regrets not being here to meet with Alta to participate in the meetings and thanked the committee. Termination Point is starting to make a bleep again on the radar so he requests it to be on the second meeting agenda for October for some discussion. ADJOURNMENT COMMITTEE MEMBER HUNTLEY MOVED to adjourn. x CHAIR SIROFCHUCK adjourned the meeting at 8:40 p.m. 1 i 1 KODIAK ISLAN PARKS & RECREATIO , q M ITTEE `J / B y : � ___;�/ Mike Sirof ' uck, Chair ATTEST 1 By: Sheila Smith, Secretary Community Development 3 1 I A DATE APPROVED: October 13, 2009 1 4 1