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09/09/2008 Board MeetingSCAN'~T~ ~~~ Dates ~~-2 .~;gw _ f~f~ Minutes _. ~, Architectural/Engineering Review Board Meetimg=-`~~'-. ~` ~,,`,,' September 9, 2008 - 7:00 pm ~~ ~', :; KIB Conference Room ~ `? 2Q~9 ~~ MAR ~ -` A. Call to Order _ ' The Chair called the meeting to order at 7:05 pm. R B. Roll Call ARB Members present were Scott Arndt, Gregg Hacker, Reed Oswalt, Jerrol Friend and Jay Johnston. Absent Members were Charlie Jerling and Brent Watkins. Representing the KIB Engineering and Facilities Department was Ken Smith. Mike Dolph from the Fire Protection Area 1 Board arrived later. C. Approval of Agenda It was moved and seconded to approve the agenda. Meeting minutes from the April 17, April 22 and July 8, 2008 meetings were approved. Not all members had had a chance to read all the minutes. The Chair advised them to contact him if changes needed to be made. There was a unanimous affirmative roll call vote. D. Approval of Minutes N/A E. 65% Review of Bayside Fire Station Addition, Phase I SA asks KS for comments, Ken turns over to TY TYstarts on 1St page, name of project, 2"d page has schedules, he says intention was to do early bid, concrete, site work and metal building. Phase II follow on to do interior electric and mechanical. That is why the drawings don't show electrical & mechanical, only civil, structural and architectural. The drawings only show sectional overhead doors, no interior finishes. Drawings have metal building, vapor barrier and concrete slab at mezzanine. Basically there are no finishes shown on inside. Also has code analysis on page two, abbreviations and symbols. SA -It shows lights in door, but doesn't show on other pages. Are there lights? TY- yes exterior elevation on A002 shows vision lights. SA-Is this 2006 or 2003 code? It shows 2003 on drawings. TY -I will have to check with Doug Mathers in the building department. SA- The specifications say 2006. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 1 of 28 KS-It should be 2006 code. TY- I will modify drawings to reflect 2006 code. SA- looking for snow load. KS -It's in the structural section. TY -It's on S001. SA-It should be the 2006. Ty-Yes it's 2006 on S001, structural, upper left hand corner. SA - It shows 40 for snow load, we talked about 50 as a base then go with essential building after that. Ty- I checked code requirement. SA-lit was 40. TY-I recall wanting to do 50, we could. change to 50. SA-We wanted 50 because of ice buildup and wet snow it will be better than 40. TY-There is a safety factor built in the code, it's up to you, but I don't know if it's buying anything more. JJ-What's the slope of roof. TY- 2/12 SA-Even though code is 40 even on residential we would like to go with 50 even without asking. I realize it is beefed up with the essential building. SA- I'm not sure, I'm just questioning because of heavy snow and rain in last few years. I am also concerned about the roof pitch. TY-This building is designed to not allow the snow to stay. SA-Yes, that is the concern. SA-More pitch usually let more water off. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 2 of 28 SA-How much extra will it cost? TY- A100 is basically the civil in conjunction with A101 that shows sewer manholes. What isn't shown is existing sewer manhole that we weren't planning on using before, but will now. I did eyeball outfall elevation, it's about 8 ft below top of sanitary sewer, the lid elevation, so we know the approximate. slope. There's also a catch basin by the power pole. SA-Tthere's also one mid-way, did you find that? TY-No, I didn't find that. SA-We (KIB) should or the City should have the plans from TATCO on that project. It was around 1983. They were the contractor that got the bid from the Borough. It has a slotted lid to allow drainage, it sticks up 4 inches or so. It's a 24" culvert, 15" or 18" the stub out off of it. TY -Was it intended to serve this area then? SA-Yes, I haven't seen it in years. TY- If there's still light after the meeting, I'll go try to find it. SA- I'll run out with you to try and help find it. TY -That's about the only thing on survey, except having to modify limits of disturbance on here. SA-Yes, that's one of the questions, I have notes on A102. TY-Yeah, I will get to that. On A102 I will need to modify the excavation limits here to the north of the proposed building. In this area here there are all these trenches coming through, KS said to flatten area out, so we will and slope it up to the edge of the property line. That's where all the various utilities will carry through. SA -If it's an issue, put chain link across the property line. Part of the reason is vehicle turning in there. TY-We did an analysis of vehicles, civil did, and this seems to work. I'm really concerned about $$. SA- Part of it is that you'll pick up some of the rock by pulling the line. The other is to put fill on this side to haul off. The original intent was to fill. If there's any extra you cap part of It, if not cap it later. Part of that would slope it out to Rezanof. The way the property drains now is to Pete Thompson's. It comes along Rezanof to Oliver's place and then back to Thompson's. TY- We tried to find some kind of drainage structure. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 3 of 28 SA-We have to put a culvert across Oliver's. I think there's a catch basin buried between Oliver's and the neighbor's. There's an easement. I spoke with Rob Green (DOT) who said we can tie into that. We won't be able to eliminate all, but catch everything from front of existing building. Doing the culvert and tie in will eliminate a lot. JF- You're not adding any area or flow to that. SA-It's cheaper to fill it in now and deal with it when you're talking about hauling this much material off. JF-How much? SA-Looking at 4 or 5 feet of overburden. JF-Yeah. SA-That's substantial. The original thought was to reduce the hauling. You're filling in the old foundation. JF- Your blue line is the fill and parking? S-Yeah, but the cost of hauling is a lot. J F-Yeah SA-There's a lot of it there. TY -So we do want this area to drain along Rezanof? And down? It that what I'm hearing? SA-Part of it, yes . TY-There is some sort of a structure to tie in to? SA-Yes TY-Why are we putting in a new storm drain? SA-Right, but then we'd have to put in a culvert and tie in to manhole. SA-This is the same information that was given to RIM. TY-To proceed on that I need either a survey or asbuilt. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 4 of 28 SA-There should be one on file with the borough, it was part of a subdivision by Rippey and Gondack, down by the Cliffside lift station. JF-Down Rezanof? It's coming down the drainage utility? SA-Yeah it comes all the way through Doug Peterson's property. JF-There's a cap stuck down there. RO-They were just pushing muck down there. JF-Yeah SA-There's some stuff there, but we'll need the exact location. TY-So we're going to direct drainage down to the southwest corner? I know there's an existing swale along Rezanof. There's a culvert under the first driveway. SA-No culvert there, it's under the Bayside house driveway. SA-Part of the other reason for using fill is you're only cutting part of the rock, it's a visibility obstacle. It needs to go away and this will take care of that. TY-We have fixed elevations across Rezanof, 54, 53, 52. We kind of warped the driveway in front of building. SA-We need to partially get rid of the hump. It's a visibility obstacle. There's the driveway that comes in. JF-This is going to take some site work. TY-That is not a DOT Right of Way? The knob is in the Right of Way? SA-Yes, it's 25 ft off the front of the building. SA-Rob Green didn't have a problem with us taking that out, we're taking 75% with this project . Rob had no problem taking the other 25%. SA-Right now there's two driveways onto that property. TyY-So we're going to waste that material? It will wind up being whatever elevation. SA-What elevation? There's two different ones. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 5 of 28 TY- 56 is the right one. SA- 55.5 is wrong. TY-That's correct. SA-If it's 54 ft whatever at the building coming across a line that `s sloping to the road... SA- I see a problem with the foundation being the same elevation as the cut on the slope. We have snow removal issues. If that retaining wall is raised up we can change the elevation cuts because you're cutting and filling. We have 59 as the existing and then you're going down to 56. I just saw that you'd be able to get around here better if you have a 5 or 6 foot wall. There's the water line that comes into the building there and you're actually causing more grief, with the retaining wall you'll pick up bury. Your foundation still actually sits higher. It's just a matter of doing your pilaster up to the top of the concrete. TY-So rather than a 2 foot stem wall we'll make it 5 or 6 ft., then grade that area with an eye towards sloping, to provide the ramp connection. It could be done outside the buildings, but you want it covered. It will need to be between the buildings under cover. It could be done ADA compliant. It can be done, but it'll have to dog leg. It will be more expensive. SA-There's a man door on the front. SA-We want to come through the turnout room with the door. Mike Dolph enters meeting. KS -If we just come across the front and have an awning over it? TY-It's not that hard to do, to have an awning on the existing building. JF-What if you sloped the whole thing up it, would that take care of it? TY-No, the ramp would be too long. We could do it with an awning on the sides of the building. We'd just have to make sure that whatever we do we keep in mind the drainage issue between the buildings. SA-You have a height thing you have to deal with regardless. TY-The other aspect of the work is the sanitary sewer to tie in to the existing. SaA-You're going into Cliffside? TY-That would be pretty tough, further, steeper, through peoples yards. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 6 of 28 SA-There's a 20 ft existing easement. TY- I looked at it and decided it wouldn't really work. SA-This is rock all the way to the back of the utility building, then fill. If you came off the other way then it's fill. Don't usually like to drill and shoot that close to the building. It's less than 20 ft. The rock is really hard. It was shot back there. Before the classroom addition went in. JF-Can we check for the capabilities of the drain? Is it big enough? TY-Is there an easement? SA-There's a 20 ft easement on Thompson's property. He has a greenhouse on it, but he knows it's there. KS-Why is the corner so important? SA-Because it's so steep here, it can be done, but it's quite steep. TY- I'll need some kind of survey to evaluate. SA-There's a topo done on these lots. P & Z would have that. TY- I've seen some topo, but it didn't really come together. SA -There's something. TY-It shows where we can tie in? SA-Fora 6 inch service it's just a tee into the 8 inch line. SA-It's gravity in front of Cliffside. SA-There is no sewer in Rezanof. Until you get to the other side of the road. TY-The last utilities, on the north side of the site, the desire is for a new emergency generator beside the garage building. KEA is going to put in a new transformer, power and ground into the building. SA-It will eliminate the pole in the parking lot. TY-KEA will be doing that? SA-Yes, it's to eliminate the pole. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 7 of 28 TY-So we won't be going underground from the pole? SA-Yes SA- KEA is coming in to re-install the electrical underground. TY-We were going to provide the rigid conduit underground from the garage, 4" pipe to the new building, a pair of 2.5 inch to existing fire hall; one for apartment one for building The intention is that they will come up at the garage and distribute to wherever they need to go. JF-You don't need an extra meter. KEA just wants one. SA-Originally the one meter didn't provide enough power so they had to add another. JF- KEA goes to the vault and you'll need to show a conduit going into the building. TY-In Ph. 1 we're not showing any of that. I wasn't going to connect to the transformer because the final connection would be done by KEA. SA- I'm figuring your electrical engineers will be doing that. TY-Yes in Ph. 2, I can show it like a future item. SA -You have to have power in the building for lights so it will have to happen in Ph. 1. TY- I was figuring on temporary power. Trying to get some economy by not bringing in extra subs in this phase. SA-We will need construction power. What were you planning? TY-The contractor can put a temporary meter base in. SA-But there's no overhead. TY-No there's a pole right back here. TY- I was thinking that the power from the building was coming from there. JF-That will work. ?? -We need to be thinking about conduit for telephone. TY-Yes that's not shown yet, we will need to show that. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 8 of 28 ??-Normally it all comes in underground. SA-Of course it needs to go in at the time. TY-I was thinking about a splitter box or something for the cable and telephone, then run the underground conduit from there to where you want it. SA-lit needs to go in with the underground. TY-Right TY -I was going to put it in this same trench structure. So then we'll have two coming into the existing. SA-There's the issue that right now it is overhead to the original building. MD-The distribution is inside the classroom, there is a cable for the apartment that goes overhead. TY-I assumed that KEA would provide the underground from the pole to the garage. SA-Yes TY-I'm not sure what the local policy is for phone and cable in the same conduit. SA-No TY- OK so one for phone and one for cable. TY-And two conduits down to the new bay. In addition to the electrical. I guess 4 inch for all. SA-No 2 inch. TY- 2 inch for cable and 2 inch for phone. GH-There's a computer network set up that will have to be dealt with. MD-Presently we're tied into the KIB through the Internet. The Internet access is through wireless routers so it shouldn't be an issue. SA-You have a handle on it? MS-Don't see a problem with it. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 9 of 28 JF-Will 2 inch be enough? TY-So put in 3- 2 inch? JF-It can't hurt, the pipe is cheap. GH-You have a PA system existing? MD-No GH-You may have something you'll want to pull in the extra one. TY-So we'd have an octopus, everything branching from the garage building. JF-Yes, but would it be cheaper to increase the size of one of the runs. SA-No, not really. JF- I'm saying maybe a 2 inch and a 4 inch would that be cheaper. SA-No KS-Then there be an empty pipe? SA -Yes in case one gets compromised. TY-Not sure about oil tanks. I think there's an existing tank on the east side of existing firehall. I was going to move that to the north end of the garage building for the emergency generator. Then a new 500 gallon tank for the boiler in the apparatus bay.. I put that in the NE corner of the apparatus bay. I was going to move it to the north side. MD-Where the existing tank slab is now, there are a couple of options. If we kept it there it would be almost equal with existing building and new building. Then we could move the new tank over to the garage for heating fuel and whatever. Also talk of leaving tank on slab and putting the new between new and existing building. TY-The existing tank feeds the boiler in existing building and will still need fuel. TY-All we would need to do for the apparatus bay is put an underground line from the existing tank. JF -Questions about the 500 gallons of fuel sitting there not being used may cause a problem? SA-No the lift stations have had fuel sitting for 20 years with no problem. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 10 of 28 JF-Really, no condensation problems? TY -The new generators are really fuel sensitive. TY-Old ones may be ok. JF-I've run into this problem before. TY-The marine diesels, the new ones are extremely sensitive. SA-There's a 4 inch PVC buried in the corner to the fuel tank. Do you want to put another one in? TY-Typically there's a day tank in the generator room. JF-That makes more sense. TY-Sounds a lot easier and cheaper. TY-What I'm getting at here now is that we already have to blast the rock for the conduit so couldn't we put the sanitary and storm in too? SA-I'm not sure, but it's definitely a question. MD- I understand what you're saying, since we're already blasting there some of the storm drain options may have to negotiate for easements which will slow down the process. If you put your ditch in for utilities there isn't a lot of difference in distance. The Board's concern is to keep it moving and not slow down to negotiate. JF-Whats the burial depth on storm? SA-6ft TY-You'll have to go deeper than that because you'll have to go up through this thing. We could maybe put some insulation on top to reduce the depth. SA- As we got into the sewer line I was wondering what your elevations were. TY-We just carry that line through and stub it inside the building and deal with it in Ph. 2. SA- I would ask that you show the actual invert inside the building so there's no question what the elevation is inside the building. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 11 of 28 SA-Then the storm drain, you might consider putting a catch basin off the corner of the classroom. It drains through the rock unless the ground is frozen and will allow clean out. TY-We could put a catch basin in. SA-The storm drain is shown as 12 inch. TY-That makes perfect sense. TY- So I'll do a little checking on the option for relocating storm and sanitary. What we're doing here is to go ahead and put them in where shown now and anew catch basin next to building. 3 new conduits for phone cable and data, electrical. Do a diagram that shows conduit runs from SD building and transformer so everyone understands. SA -You show the concrete apron on front and rear of building. That apron should be extended to man door on both front and rear. TY -Good point. TY -Then we've eliminated a fuel tank and connect a fuel loop to the existing tank. JF-The existing meter bases need to be labeled for clarity. TY-For the purposes of diagrams we will assume that the new underground power is by KEA, that telephone and cable will run across in same location. SA- KEA digs the trench and bills ACS and GCI separately. ACS &GCI come out and install their cable in the ditch. TY -A201, they should have picked up that we were relocating the oily water separator and trench drains. It should show that upper trench drain and oily water separator and run to new catch basin and also the gutter drains. The oil water separator will be inside the building. SA-The trench drain extends all the way to the wall? TY-Yes. We tried to do it on the other side but it won't work with the doors. TY- I need to modify the area between buildings. There will be some sort of roof frame off existing the fire hall for the walkway. MD-Is that canopy going to have to be sprinklered? TY-Mot on the apparatus bay, it's all metal. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 12 of 28 JJ-They've been requiring overhangs to be sprinklered because of code. JF-Yes when you put it up to the wood building. TY-We can keep them separate by elevation. TY -Although the one on the wood building, does it need to be sprinklered? SA-The apparatus bay is sprinklered and the classroom. MD-We talked about if we enclosed the connecting walkway it would be required to be sprinklered. JF- I would be very surprised if you didn't have to now. TY-It's just as easy to do it. If you have a dry system over there we can extend it through. JF-It would be really easy. SA-It makes more sense to enclose the canopy. JF-So it gets enclosed in Ph. 1 or later? SA-You need to plan for it now. JF-There's no structure on there. TY-It's getting a lot more expensive. SA-We haven't been going toward the less expensive route. SA -You're going to have to allow for something to go in there, you're going to have to excavate. TY-It's awfully awkward to have a hallway. It's going to be a 60 ft long hallway between buildings 20 foot apart. JJ-What's the other option? TY-Just a sidewalk. MD-It's not an acceptable egress/access from building. SA-Forget about ADA access. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 13 of 28 TY- I'll have to ask building official because I can't make something that's not compliant on purpose. MD -If you have the required number of entrances that are ADA compliant then this is a convenience. TY-The trick is building a ramp. Stairs are one thing, but a ramp? If we can build a ramp that's a steeper slope, that would be good. MD- From a physical stand point, if we have to go up a couple of stairs to a landing with a hand truck, that's no big deal. SA-So we could forget about the canopy and the ramp? TY- I am concerned about getting sued for not building the one in ten ramp. SA-If it has to be an ADA ramp it's going to be very expensive. JF-We'd be better off forgetting it, if it has to be ADA. TY- I'm not sure, but it's a permanent liability. JF-You said a couple of stairs, but it would be 7 risers to go up there. SA-So do you just drop it out completely for now or see what you come up with? TY-Well it was a Ph. 2 issue. TY-Basically you could do a hatch in the wall and make a walkway straight across. JF-You could put the landing inside the building with a short set of stairs going down. TY-Then we'd raise the concrete wall between the buildings. We raise elevation in there and sloping, but at the peak you have your walkway between the building and landing inside the building. SA-Now enclose it, now that it's flat. JF-Not now, it's something that can be done later. SA-Need to plan for walls now, so it's just as easy. JF-The canopy's gone? ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 14 of 28 TY -Yes SA -So I'm saying that you're better off enclosing it now. We need to take care of the foundation work now. TY-Have a landing width of 6 foot? JF -Yes inside the building. SA -Push the covered walkway closer to the building, there's less impact with the vehicles. TY- I want to be sure that the landing in the building doesn't take up too much room. TY- I was going to take the stairs down straight. TY -This is a good solution. TY-On A202, the request was to reduce the size of the mechanical room and put the toilet room into it. I'm not sure if I can, I'll have to check with mechanical engineer. TY-It's about 10 x 20. SA-That office room 201, what about putting a window in it? TY-It says office, but it has some other use. MD-It's communications. TY -So it's not just an equipment room, but someone would be in there? SA-Put in a 5 x 4 window. TY-We'll go ahead and put in windows. SA- I only had one towards the road. TY-OK TY-On A301, we'll have to show the door and the landing coming across on the north elevation. We'll show the window upstairs on the west elevation and raise the concrete wall. I'll confirm height that makes sense and diagram in the slope. SA-The idea is to keep distance between ground and metals. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 15 of 28 TY-the roof system is designed for snow stops that are sized and patterned so they won't come off in snow load. Putting the responsibility on the manufacturer. JF -The awnings are nothing but problems over time. SA-We didn't have the detail that we have now. TY -There is a request for a door on the south elevation. SA -Yes TY-Mid-point of the wall, offset it a bit. TY-There will be a wind column on the end wall at 20 ft. TY- A303 shows the stair up to the mezzanine. TY- A304 & A305 are the enlargements of the sections. Shows the OSB panel to 8 ft. and wind column beyond. SA-Where does it talk about an energy analysis? JF-You aren't showing any ground insulation. It needs to have insulation to stop the cold before it comes into the building. There should be six inches of insulation on the first 2 ft of the perimeter on the outside. TY-Insulation from grade to come up and overlap ? JF-It's good if we can. You'll get a stack effect and suck cold air in from 20 to 30 feet. You can go to CCRC and get a lot of information. Since it's not a heated slab I wouldn't worry about more than four feet in. TY-So put in four inch of rigid in four ft.? SA -It has to be high density. JF -We recommend 0-6 ft 6" blue board,. TY-There's a formula for the 600. SA-It's 60 psi. JF-It'll hold. They've used them under bearing walls. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 16 of 28 TY -Only four feet into the building? JF -Four to six. JJ- I assume you need to go down to the slab because of the washdown? TY -Yes JJ -It doesn't really jive with the section 305. SA- I was going to question if that should be foam instead of fiberglass. TY -It's just a vapor barrier. JF-Blue board is just as good a vapor barrier. JF- I would just take that out and run 4 inch of blue board and get the fiberglass up and away from it. TY- OK KS-Ddo we need 4 inch of insulation in the 14 x 14 ft doors? SA-That's one of the questions. We need to see the detail on the door. TY -It's specified. I think it's R14. TY-It was a pretty good door.. JF -Yes R14 is pretty good. SA-That was one of the questions they have, those inserts that are pretty easy to knock down. Maybe the panels with the glass, they allow a lot more light in and are harder to break in. TY- R 14.86 on doors. SA-Is there a brand? TY-Yes, Thermacor. TY -So I'm going to modify this detail. JF -Check with CCRC. TY- OK ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 17 of 28 TY-There in the detail on the exterior is the gutter which is an overhead brace. The gutter is suspended from the brace. It should work fine if we don't have a snow issue. The profile that I specified is similar to Weatherseam 24. It's in the metal building specification. JF -So on the inside you're just looking at vapor barrier on the wall? TY -Yes. OSB to 8 ft then exposed vapor barrier. SA- You might be better off leaving the OSB off now and just do vapor barrier. JF-What about'/ super top and using the foil as a vapor barrier? TY -We're trying to get the shell up. JJ -Is it going to be used for something after Ph. 1?' TY -It should go straight into Ph. 2. SA- It'll be caulked now. OSB looks like crap in a building. TY -We've used it a lot in these types of buildings. SA -What about wash down with water? The OSB looks like crap. JF- Yes, as far as the vapor barrier, how do you fasten it? TY -Mostly its adhered because of the metal building. JF-What about 4x8 sheet of poly with a taped joint? TY-The insulation system is a super saver system. So it's a proprietary assembly. It's part of the system. JF-It looks like visquine on the inside. TY -It is a separate component of the system. JF -Its almost rigid. TY -It's part of the system. TY-Tthe roof is 22 gauge standing seam rib. Non-insulated panel. The super saver in the roof assembly is two layers of insulation. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 18 of 28 SA -It looks like insulation on top. TY -It has a standoff that allows the insulation to go over the top of the purlin. It might be exaggerated there. The space is 3/ or so. It's a thermal break so you don't have direct metal contact. TY-We specified the maximum R value. JF-What is the R factor? TY- 24" is the width of the roof panel. JJ-It probably doesn't have a stiffener in it. TY -There's a really small one. TY- I'm still looking for the R facto. It's R 26 on walls and R33 on roof. JF-We were looking for R60, it just went up. SA -So we're deleting the wainscoting as part of Ph. 1. JF -It's $30 a sheet. JF -It's a waste of money. TY- The civil, C100, I think we've gone through most of this. SA -Yeah SA -The slab elevation is right here. SA -On the overhead door the jamb detail, there is kind of a flashed in two by, but no explanation of what you're doing there. I'm trying to figure out what you're trying to accomplish. TY -That is deleted actually. JF- Azec would be cheaper than flashing. SA-Just trying to get rid of the lumber and flashing. TY- OK ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 19 of 28 JF -On the leading edges on the Azec make them round it over slightly, it makes it tougher. Use hot glue for sealing instead of caulking if not painting. Can't see screw hole. SA -Your door detail doesn't work on the track. TY-No it doesn't. SA -Needs to be listed as 3 inch track and rollers double hinged. TY- I think I specified 3 inch. JF-It's a commercial door. SA- I know, but we haven't looked at the door specs. TY -These are good doors. GH-We have two inch in the maintenance shop. TY -3" yes, double hinged. SA- I've seen them put a short stem roller on a double hinge. TY -The detail isn't exactly right. TY -You want stainless steel trim screws. JF -Yes TY -You use those to anchor finish stuff. JF- Yes, base trim. JF -They make those in torx. TY -Yes JF -There's a new star head, the square heads strip out easy. TY- C100 any other comments? There was some discussion of the waterline configuration. GH- I'm assuming that the curb stop, 6" gate valve? That's an additional item? SA-There is a 6", I don't think it's on the building. I thought it's towards the street. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 20 of 28 TY-That's new. JF -You may want that to separate the building, so you can shut each building off individually. SA -Yeah JF -How come you're putting all the extra bends in and not just going straight across with a 45? SA-Double 45's instead of 90's? SA-You're saying going straight? JF -You could cut out two 45's. TY- I'm not sure this is to scale. JF -Why have a vertical line when you can take it straight across? TY -If we can fit it in there, but it's probably why he didn't. JF -You also have thrust blocks, yeah 45 with thrust blocks is kind of hard sometimes. SA -Either way they do it will tear up the existing concrete apron. TY -We are going to be extending the site work out to the property lines. SA-Yes JF -Yes TY- I have to extend the clearing and the fill. We are going to waste the existing materials and contour? SA -You have to give them some guidelines and they'll need fill permits from KIB. TY-That won't change from what we had already. TY -We have sections on C101, I don't think they change much. TY- C102 this is going to stay pretty close to what is shown except the new catch basin and underground electrical. SA- On the sewer you're showing existing 8" DI pipe. Are you sure? At the tie in into the sewer? ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 21 of 28 Ty -As far as I know that was on a drawing or we observed it. SA-Most of the project was PVC, so are you sure? TY -You're right he shows the manhole details on A101 shows PVC, good catch. SA-The other thing shows a drain 8" PVC 190 If. That gets you a 100 ft across the back of the building and 80ft down the side. On the southeast corner shows connect 4" downspout PVC. That won't work. TY-That's wrong. The underground pipe should be 8" PVC not 4". SA -190 ft only gets you across the back and part of the side. SA -It says 8" PVC connect to storm drain manhole. JF -You have it in the back and not the front. TY -So use a transition piece from the rectangular to the round? SA -There are downspouts on both corners of building. Is gutter sloping? TY-No, it's not sloping. SA -That needs to be changed. TY-It's at each corner, it's showing the elevations. SA -And the diameter needs to be changed. TY -He also shows a cleanout at those ends. JF -The downspouts when you come around the corners, the bottom is a sweep, not a tee, so it can be used as a cleanout also. TY- C103 C104 are just the test pits. SA -It gives me no reference points, can I get elevations in regards to finished slab? TY -We need to show finish elevation, I can get that off the survey. TY- C105 is the details for the waterline. TY- S001 is the structural general notes. We referenced at the beginning of the meeting. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 22 of 28 SA -You're looking at 4000 psi, it that what you want for the slab also? TY-Yes it's all the same, there's no slab in Ph. 1 just footers and stem wall. SA -At slab level it needs to change to 7 sack. TY- OK TY- Most of the details, we aren't doing the catch basin. SA -Are the trench drains going in the 1St phase? TY- No, none of the slab work is in phase 1, shown as NIC. SA -Typical sidewall pedestal footings, not correct because of the 2 ft. stem wall. TY -Yes TY- Standard pipe is schedule 40, I believe. SA-Welded at connecting joints? TY-Yes, full pen welds. SA -Will it create any problem with the trench drain? SA -This is completely wrong. TY-We'll have to break the trench drain it has to be continuous. We'll have to have a sleeve SA-The elevation shows six inch. Will you be lowering that so you can be below the slab? It's a six in slab. TY- I don't think it's a problem, but I'll check with the structural engineer and see. TY -We could get rid of the pipe entirely by using rebar. RO-You could use cable. JF- The problem with cable is during remodels on inside. If you touch the cables they are finished. TY-The trench drain will stop, it's deep and will go below those. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 23 of 28 TY -The grade beams are continuous through there so I wasn't too concerned. I'll talk to Chris and see if it's any easier to put a piece of PVC below the grade beams. SA -The problem is that if the trench drains are in Ph. 2 then we need coordination in Ph. 1. TY -The grade beams have to be there. SA- Do you do the trench drain when you do the grade beams? TY-I'll ask him, because of the excavation, but there will be a lot in Ph. 2. SA -With the electrical do you allow for some of the conduit to go through there? JF-It's a lot easier. SA -That's why I want to see the electrical and mechanical because I'm concerned about coordination. TY- We have to have them to tie the building together. RO -Why can't you tie at the bottom? TY- I have to put them in. RO-Or put in with pre stressed. TY-OK, let me think about it. JF-If you do some stub outs in each bay... SA -What if you ran all the electrical overhead and not in the slab? SA- I need more information. TY -There's so little in the bay we might as well take it overhead. SA- I don't want to see a bunch of digging around the grade beams. TY -The doors and lights are all overhead. TY- I wasn't going to use apre-manufactured one. SA -It's easier to do that before the grade beam. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 24 of 28 SA -Then the grade beam is just underneath the slab. TY -The bays are all the same. It's pretty simple. SA- I don't believe we have any mechanical under the slab. TY -No JJ-Vertical carriers 6 or 8 inch wall, when you take insulation detail it is not showing. TY-Yeah it's a 6 inch wall above that. JJ-That relates to those two pages I didn't see anything on portal frame. TY-That is part of metal building package. TY-The location allows them to use any of the bracing types that are listed has to fit with the configuration of building. There will be a portal frame between door openings, but use cable brace in roof. TY -Each one will have a different approaches. Probably Garco, Varco/Pruden and Sun will bid on it. Motion to approve 65% of Bayside Fire Station passed unanimous, Roll call vote. F. KIB projects update KS- Middle School is done, successful, happy with contractor. HS library finished on time, successful, no change orders. TY -Janssen did a good job. KS -Ys Janssen, David Gates. KS- Ouzinkie, kind of up against the wall with the 9/30/08 seismic. Material barge was sent back to Seattle. Not supposed to arrive in Kodiak until 9/17. We are up against the FEMA grant deadline. Seismic portion is supposed to be complete by 9/30. JF- Should we contact FEMA and give them a heads up about the problems? KS- We have already gotten an extension, they are up against deadlines too. KS -Peterson went well. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 25 of 28 KS-As far as I'm concerned everything went well this summer. We ran into a lot of things, but it all went well. TY- At Peterson someone had literally sawn through the stud walls multiple times. JR -There were many spots where there was only 3/8" of material left on the studs. KS -The floor was uneven, we found at the very end. The alcove in front of the restroom was finished today, so Peterson is done. SA -So that means the school district is happy? GH- I got in early in the middle school and the high school. SA- I see we have another year that nothing got done on the Middle school sidewalk and asphalt. KS- There was a conflict with equipment because of the projects. SA- I meant in the back. JJ -Same thing SA-There's still a fair amount of work left in the Middle school. JJ- Phase 3 SA- Anything else? KS- CHC is going along. SA- Any issues? KS- Steel got here late, there are always issues. GH- The concrete slide JF-What about putting rocks in it? KS- Six inch rocks or something. SA- I don't remember it being there. JF- It wasn't, they had the drain coming out 6 ft. up the wall. ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 26 of 28 KS-Question about whether or not we are going to pave area on west end of Care Center. It's paved, but in bad condition. We have an RFP right now to pave the rest of it. JF -How far back? KS-Back by the loading dock. KS -Bock walls are all finished. JF -They did a fantastic job! KS -We thought we were losing a parking spot, but we moved it down by the retaining wall. JF- Did they ever finish the fire proofing on the steel, is there an issue? JF -Don't you have to pre-treat the steel before you do it? KS -As far as I know it is speed correctly. JF- I did research on it, there was one that was too expensive. Discussion of this..... KS Pool project. KS-The retaining wall is ridiculous. SA-Yes Discussion of drilling and shooting at pool project SA - thinks that ECI\Hyer needs to compensate .the Borough for the extra expense of the retaining wall MD-When can we anticipate 100% drawings for Bayside? G. Public Comments None H. Board Comments None I. Adjournment Meeting was adjourned at 10:20 pm ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 27 of 28 Respectfully Submitted: Jessic olfe, Projects Ass' tant KIB Engineering/Facilities Dept. 5~~~~~~~ Scott Arndt, Chair Architectural/Engineering Review Board Date: ~/~~~d~ T Date: ,2 ` ~ S~-r,204 9 ARB Minutes 080909.docx Page 28 of 28