07/08/2008 Board MeetingMinutes
Architectural/Engineering Review Board Meeting
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July 8, 2008 - 7:00 pm ~- ---_----__
KFRC Conference Room
A. Call to Order ~'
The Chair called the meeting to order at 7:15 pm. i MAR Y ~ 2009
B. Roll Call `- l
ARB Members present were Scott Arndt, Gregg Hacker, Char ie~er i~-1 ng an3l~eed~
Oswalt. Absent Members were Jay Johnston, Brent Watkins and Jerrol Friend.
Representing the KIB Engineering and Facilities Department were Woody Koning, Ken
Smith and Jessica Wolfe. Mike Dolph from the Fire Protection Area 1 Board was also
present.
C. Approval of Agenda
It was moved and seconded to approve the agenda with the exception of approval of
minutes from April 17, 2008 and April 22, 2008 meetings as no one had time to read
these prior to this meeting. There was a unanimous affirmative roll call vote.
D. Approval of Minutes
N/A
E. 35% Review of Bayside Fire Station Addition
SA asked which code year was being used. KS said that the plans say 2003, but 2006
will be used. SA -need to verify 1.25 or 1.5
SA -wind exposure C? With trees present and within 600 foot of water should it be
exposure D?
KS - No. Exposure D is for areas that are flat and open, not necessary for this site.
RO -Spruce Cape adds protection.
SA -When flying over you can see trees lay down when wind is blowing.
KS - No Exposure D as long as we do essential building
SA - Pg. A100 - Topo -Pete Thompson lives on edge of site and relatives behind old
house. Drainage goes through. Plan should show both drainage areas. Right now all
drainage from utility shed drains to Pete Thompson's. Some goes to culvert on Rezanof.
Due to Thompson issues the plans really need to have drainage identified.
MD -Agrees
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SA - A101, sewer manholes.
SA - A102 Will there be a 20 ft addition in back of utility building?
MD -May dedicate right side to genset. Have spoken with KEA about bringing electrical
underground. Right now sewer line is under corner of addition. Should be moved back.
SA -What about catch basins going into sewer line? Normally the City doesn't like that.
GH -Especially out of a garage.
SA - 24" culvert with catch basin needs to be shown on topo. We could dump storm
water to that and not to the Sanitary Sewer.
MD -Why didn't the surveyor catch that?
SA -Mudslide from Madjic property filled it. KIB needs to fix.
SA -Drains open to Mike Rasmussen. Storm sewer line needs to be hooked to that.
There is a toilet that needs to go to sanitary sewer and the rest to the Storm drain.
Should be shown on original drawings. Tadco installed in about 1986. Need to plan for
electrical hook up. KIB to make plan.
WK -What are the dotted lines?
SA -Those are existing. The solid lines are proposed. Sewer line is on the other side
of Rezanof. Should be on the original as-builts. On the topo it shows a 6" line to
building but not to street. That needs to be shown.
SA - A201 -Covered walkway/stairs I am assuming due to code?
KS -Fire code requires a 3 hour fire wall. That is the cheapest way because it went
over square footage. I don't see where TY did code analysis.
SA - I am curious about that. A breezeway is no good in the winter. What is the
elevation between the two floors?
KS - 2 feet
SA - It says 2 %z on page A102
SA -Did TY look at difference between trench drain and trying to slope the slab? Trying
to do concrete that way is hard to do.
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KS - We looked at it, but it got value engineered out.
SA - I still question it due to vehicles fully loaded would tear up concrete where "V" is. A
trench would distribute the weight better.
SA -The bays are designed to bring a HAZMAT trailer in between two rigs.
General agreement that a trench drain would be better.
SA - R35 fiberglass with visquine vapor barrier will look bad with exhaust stains.
KS - WE talked about insulated panels. E just did a change order to TY contract to do
an energy analysis. TY talked about metal panels with batt insulation inside, but that's
no good. I talked him out of it.
SA -There is a memo here about wall panels. 2 %" thick is R21, 26 gauge metal. 3"
roof panel is R30.
KS - No that isn't right
SA - I agree. It creates a double vapor barrier. Ideal building heat is 50° to 60°. I think
a 4" roof panel and a 3" wall panel would be better.
KS -That's what will come out of the energy analysis. It may be better to go bigger but
14' doors are only R14 plus they are not tight.
SA - A301 -End walls west elevation on Rezanof side. North elevation, gable end roof
shelter over door. Should it come off north end and be put on west end.
KS -Yes. Take off the gable end?
MD -It's the covered walkway that will have the roof. Covered open walkway. The FD
wants it enclosed.
SA -The question is the fire code.
MD - TY was talking about the roof covering being wood construction???
SA - A301 - No concrete stem wall. It will not last 20 years with metal siding all the way
to the ground. Ideally it should be a 2 foot stem wall.
CJ - I agree.
RO - I agree. It's not as expensive as replacing panels.
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KS - I agree.
SA - A304 -Same thing. Double insulation.
SA - A801 -Detail 1 shows 6" from slab to grade - 4 - 4 1/2' off the ground.
RO - A stem wall would be best. It will never get any cheaper.
General agreement
SA - It would also help keep water from under the building on the lower side.
SA - A305 -Detail 1A801 shows in between two buildings but is not showing the
difference in building elevation. It doesn't take into account the difference. It won't work.
SA -Structural needs to be changed to 2006 code with 40# minimum roof load. I like
50# better because of the roof pitch.
KS - No comment
SA -RIM was looking at 50# snow load plus essential building. What about
concentrated loads?
RO -The thaw, rain, freeze is really bad.
KS - It will be a problem. Everything slopes to the doors on both sides.
SA -The original roof was to be attached now it isn't.
MD - I we change the slope by 90° then lots of snow will fall between the buildings.
SA - It reduces add on options.
MD - It would reduce being able to drive around the building at times.
WK -Snow guards. It will melt off if snow guards work.
SA - I don't see a gutter.
MD -Does overhang on soffits of roof eliminate need for gutters?
CJ -What about a heated driveway?
SA -Too much oil.
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WK -Snow guards work well. It would be valuable to have 6" gutters then reduce the
overhang.
KS - I agree with Woody. Will it freeze at gutter?
SA - If you ever sprinkle building you would have to do overhang.
WK -Every building pits at overhang because no rain hits it.
KS -There is lots of salt there too.
SA -Look at removing overhang, get gutters and snow stops.
WK - It will runoff to lot if frozen. KIB wants Developers to catch runoff to storm sewers.
We want lot graded properly.
SA - It would be easiest to tie into catch basin. Have rain leaders tie in to trench drain,
to storm drain.
SA - 4000 psi. I assume 6 sack mix
KS -Yes, 6 sack has been breaking at 4300
SA -Slab should be a 7 sack mix. 6 sack for walls.
SA -Stem wall will change some detail. Is there a grade beam?
KS -The design is not that far yet.
SA -Reinforced steel - S001 - 1.5 from driving surface or 1.5 from ground? If it's the
surface it should be a minimum of 2".
SA -Portal frames not as bad as I expected.
KS -Wait until you see the structural plans.
General agreement that trench drains are a lot easier to do. Also an oily water separator
will be required. Drain in same direction.
SA - A minimum of 2%. Roof drains downstream of separator.
F. Public Comments
None
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G. Board Comments
RO - I want a single slope roof.
SA & KS - NO!!!!!
SA -Larsen Bay, Old Harbor & Ouzinkie conceptual never came before the Board. That
needs to be done.
H. Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned at 8:20 pm.
Respectfully submitted:
J ca Wolfe, Projects Assi ant
KIB Engineering/Facilities Department
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Scott Arndt, Chair
Architectural/Engineering Board
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