01/31/08 Reconvened Regular Meeting
Architectural/Engineering Review Board
Regular Meeting Reconvened From
29 January 2008 -7:00 p.m. to
31 January 2008 -7:00 p.m.
KIB Conference Room
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The Meeting was called to order by the Chair at 7: 10 pm.
B. Roll Call
Present were Scott Arndt, Gregg Hacker, Jay Johnston and Brent Watkins. Absent were Jerrol Friend,
Charlie Jerling and Reed Oswalt. Representing the ElF Department were Ken Smith and Sharon Lea
Adinolfi. Also present from Ouzinkie was Darren Muller.
C. Approval of Agenda
A Motion was made and seconded to add Update by Tony Y orba on his investigative trip to Ouzinkie and
Review of Peterson Seismic Upgrade. There was a unanimous affirmative voice vote.
Ouzinkie Update
T. Yorba noted that with changes recommended by the ARB and a change in the Code requiring a
sprinkler system, there is about $430K increase to the Project - $130K for changes and increased square
footage and an additional $300K for the now required sprinkler system. He said there could be a savings
of approximately $11 OK by using the Misting System - and that there were advantages and disadvantages
to both systems. He said he had not spoken to DEED yet regarding increased monies for additional
square footage and the increased cost for the sprinkler system, which had not been a part of the original
bond application, but it is a life safety issue and the proposed changes will result in a much better product.
T. Yorba said that when he met with the Ouzinkie community they had reminded him they were
interested in being able to host regional basketball tournaments. At the size planned, he did not think it
would be acceptable - he will check with the sporting association.
Darren Muller from Ouzinkie spoke to this issue. He first thanked the Board for his being able to
participate in the meeting and said he appreciated the time and effort given this Project by the ARB. He
said the school would like to be able to hold so called "regionals" in order to qualify to go to State
tournaments. He said this gym project was a big part of the schooling for the children in Ouzinkie. He
added the designlfloorplan seemed very workable. He said he knew there were questions on water
pressure. He said that a new 240k gallon tank had recently been put in and there was better pressure
information available.
Regarding availability of rock, D. Muller said that was an issue on the Agenda for an upcoming City
Council meeting. He spoke about silt from the boat harbor dredging being available - packs like concrete
and could be available for the Project. He also noted that access around the school would be important
for fire truck access, oil delivery trucks, etc. He gave the Board his phone numbers - 680 2209 or 680
1820.
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S. Arndt said that the people of Ouzinkie needed to contact the Assembly [to lobby for additional
funding] .
T. Yorba said he had spoken with Tom Quick [ofOuzinkie] and Mr. Quick informed him that the existing
KV A transformer next to the generator building is old and a weak link in the utility infrastructure. Mr.
Quick recommended drawing power from the opposite side where the poles are and that the 300 KV A
was oversized.
T. Y orba brought this information to the Board's attention, noting his feeling was that this issue could
open up a whole new can of worms.
D. Muller suggested that issue was the City's responsibility.
S. Arndt questioned Mr. Muller about moving existing equipment.
D. Muller said that issue was also on the Agenda for the City Council's meeting - he felt they [the City]
should deal with moving the City's existing equipment.
T. Yorba said based on information coming from the ARB and his visit to Ouzinkie, he would put
together an informational spreadsheet - get some better numbers and run some scenarios.
Tuck questioned T 1-11.
K. Smith said he had walked the exterior of the school and in the front some areas are questionable and in
the back of the building there were some "wavy" areas, but in general it was fairly sound.
T. Y orba said that wavy area would be better firred to the building before installing Hardiplank. He had
recorded the nail pattern on the existing siding and will improve on that. He also said there were some
old wood windows.
S. Arndt said that if siding is going to be replaced, the windows should also be replaced. He said he
realized that was a scope increase, but that it should be done. He said he felt the School District and the
Assembly needed to be made aware of the funding issues.
T. Y orba agreed - the fundamentals need to be taken care of. He said he will do some quick
modifications to the drawings and have the engineers do the same. He will then get the changes to HMS
for costing.
D. Review of Library Wing Project
T. Y orba reviewed drawings, noting that he, along with the mechanical and electrical engineers had again
investigated the building and consolidated the improvements.
A20l-203 - taking panels off and excavating down to the footings and building back up with concrete
shear walls with panels matching panels on the east.
Original windows are not available. May have to use a different window system, but will check to see if
the existing windows can be removed and reused.
A1202-l203 - shows demolition on first floor - some of the library casework will have to be
disassembled.
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1204-5 - enlarged drawings.
1204 - shows extent of concrete slab removal on the outside wall about 8 ft - because of the slope of the
cut on the inside see S103 shows the depth of the footing. T. Yorba to review this area.
S1205 - have to bite into those existing columns -engineer needs to weld studs to steel column.
1301 - elevation shows where the panels and windows will be removed.
1302 - demo section - there may be some disruption of spray on fireproofing.
1602-1603 - will need a little demo of the ceiling just enough to get to the panels.
1801 - shows concrete demo around the concrete column and the extent of the demo of concrete slab
around those windows.
There are some odd electric fin pipes - Tuck thinks they are all hydronic - T. Y orba to check.
202 - shows where the concrete panels and the shear panels are going and pouring of the new concrete
slab and fixing the walls around them.
J. Johnston questioned the interior finish on the concrete panels.
T. Y orba said they would be painted.
203-205 shows enlargement of the exterior elevation - will match windows and door lines.
B. Watkins, referring to 801, asked if the main slab is structural.
T. Yorba to check if what is being done will affect the slab. He said-there will be dowels that tie the slab
to the outside spandrel.
He noted there was a bookload there and will check with the structural engineer to make sure the load is
carried through.
A80l shows space between old concrete and new concrete where panels will be fit in - flashing
configuration - detail shows screw fasteners in the cavity which cannot be - T. Yorba to check that. Also
shown is adjustable steel angle - screw fasteners tie into that - all concealed except at bottom. The panels
will be adhered in the field - will make for a good seal.
Upper floor details are same as lower floor.
A804- details 1 and 3 - need to be redone.
SOOl - S. Arndt questioned the PSI of the concrete and recommended a higher number. T. Yorba to
check with Brechan Enterprises.
S 1 00 shows elevation and height - elevations were shown in original drawings - depth is about 15'9" so
that an 8' cut will not meet OSHA standards. T. Y orba will check options.
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S. Arndt questioned tying into the piers - T. Y orba to check.
S200 - second floor shows how welding studs to the steel to get sheer walls from concrete wall to steel.
T. Y orba to check with engineer on details on S202.
S300 - below roof plane - S30 I-showing shear wall between the roof beam and the floor beam.
S302 shows structural section.
T. Y orba said there was not much mechanical or electrical work to be done, but will check again to make
sure everything is correct. He will also check slot diffusers and hydronic baseboard.
J. Johnston suggested detail on A204, 38804 needed to be looked at and also the specs on the roof needed
to be corrected. T. Y orba to check.
J. Johnston questioned the grant amount.
K. Smith said it was $465K.
T. Yorba said there was not an estimate yet. He said there were some details to be modified and
corrective work to be done - the Board could consider these at 85-90%.
A Motion was made [as a formality] by G. Hacker and seconded by B. Watkins to approve the Library
Seismic Upgrade Project at 65%. There was a unanimous roll call vote.
E. Review of Peterson Seismic Upgrade
Plywood sheer walls in the classrooms will run north south and on the outside east west and be infilled
where there used to be glass block.
A303 - take out metal studs and EFIS rigid insulation to get at glass block and pour a concrete panel over
existing masonry wall and then replace EFIS.
A303 shows concrete wall over masonry wall and tying into some steel.
S30l Section A - graphics will be changed.
S. Arndt questioned available funds.
K. Smith said application had been made and awaiting a response. He said it might be possible to get
some interim money from the Assembly - adding that the Project needed to get out to bid.
A1303 - part of the job will be to collect the shear on the roof. The roof assembly will be rolled back to
add plywood and nailing.
J. Johnston and S. Arndt questioned the blocking in this area.
T. Y orba said that just a portion of the plywood would be taken off - want to add as little new material as
possible.
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J. Johnston suggested considering replacing the rubber instead of rolling back. He said the existing roof
is at about 20 years and could start rotting. He said replacing the rubber would cost about $8K so it is not
big ticket item and would make the job go smoother.
T. Y orba and the Board agreed.
T. Y orba said, regarding EFIS, it would be easier to take it all the way off.
The Board concurred.
T. Yorba said the shelf at the parapet on A1303 was begging for a place to leak. He said the flashing in
that area would be replaced.
A1202 - Interior work. In each classroom one wall is getting plywood on the shear wall - removing
equipment on the wall and prepping so new plywood can go over existing sheetrock with new sheetrock
on top and finished.
Demo roof plan shows extent of the roof removal area - to be changed to reflect new membrane. It was
noted that if a new membrane were to be put on there should also be a new parapet cap.
A30l-302 - panels to be extended all the way up.
The concrete panels will not align with the joints in the EFIS. Discussion as to how to match finish.
The Board agreed to have an additive alternate for painting this area.
T. Yorba noted that some of the ceiling will need to be disassembled to get plywood panel up.
J. Johnston questioned the areas ofEFIS.
T. Y orba said that he thought the drafter drew it at a lower height on the elevations but will go out there
and check parapet. If there is 4' left on top, the Board agreed to leave it.
SOOl - Standard General Notes.
J. Johnston questioned reuse rather than replacement of plywood.
TY - need to take the plywood off and need to have an enlarged detail of a typical roof.
The mechanical and electrical sheets basically just note existing systems.
F. Review ofCHC Cost Savings
The Board agreed to schedule a Special Meeting for Tuesday, 5 February to review this item and have C.
Field of Prochaska & Associates attend telephonically.
G. Discussion of Role of the ARB [to be postponed]
Postponed.
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H. Public Comments
D. Muller asked about the timeframe for the Ouzinkie Project and offered his assistance. It was suggested
that the Ouzinkie community work on applying for grant money, particularly for the sprinkler system and
the generator. Also suggested was the community working with the Legislature.
I. Board Comments
The Board thanked Tony Y orba for his time. There were no further comments.
J. Adjournment
There being no further business to come before the meeting, a Motion was made and seconded to adjourn
and there was a unanimous affirmative voice vote.
The meeting was adjourned at 10:15 pm.
Respectfully submitted:
Sharon Lea Admoll, Project Assistant
KID EngineeringlFacilities Department
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Scott Arndt, Chair
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