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REGULAR MEETING -JANUARY 9, 2007 BOROUGH CLERK'S OFFICE
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
The regular meeting of the Parks & Recreation Committee was called to order at 7:00p.m. by
CHAIR SIROFCHUCK on January 9,2007 in the KIB School District Conference Room.
ROLL CALL
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A quorum was established.
COMMITTEE MEMBER HUNTLEY MOVED TO EXCUSE COMMITTEE MEMBERS
FOSTER, SCHROEDER, and FOREMAN. The motion was SECONDED by COMMITTEE
MEMBER SAL TONST ALL, and CARRIED by unanimous voice vote.
III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
COMMITTEE MEMBER SAL TONST ALL MOVED TO APPROVE the agenda as presented.
The motion was SECONDED by COMMITTEE MEMBER HUNTLEY, and CARRIED by
unanimous voice vote.
MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING
Regular meeting of:
. November 14,2006
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. November 28,2006
COMMITTEE MEMBER HUNTLEY MOVED TO APPROVE the minutes from November
14,2006 and November 28,2006. The motion was SECONDED by COMMITTEE MEMBER
SAL TONST ALL, and CARRIED by unanimous voice vote.
AUDIENCE COMMENTS AND APPEARANCE REQUESTS
Terry Michalski stated he works for the Coast Guard and is here to see what we will be doing
with the trails and basically land use for the Coast Guard.
Mark Gilmore is the Chief of Police for the Coast Guard and he is here for the same reason.
COMMITTEE MEMBER HUNTLEY asked if he has anything that's an implication of
(inaudible).
Gilmore stated no, as everyone knows with the exception of both ends of Burma Road and some
of Cliff Point, which are the only areas open for ATV's. All the other trails are for hiking or
bicycling. The commanding officer is interested in possibly opening some of the other trails for
possible A TV usage. This is more just looking with some feelers out. If we were to do that and
come up with a set of guidelines we would like to be on the same page as the Borough.
COMMITTEE MEMBER TSCHERSICH commented the history of these trails that were open
with on restrictions until the trails were abused. People were leaving trash around and the trails
were branching off. We are concerned that it will revert to the old system, which would not be in
the best interest.
Gilmore said Captain Carmel is afraid if he does open trails what kind of damage will be done.
We have went on the back side of Old Woman, the Burma Road you can see the main road with
a lot of trails branching off with a lot of damage and we don't want that happening on Coast
Guard property.
COMMITTEE MEMBER SAL TONST ALL said some of the areas that were closed are the only
place for skiing close to town. He would like to see some areas kept closed for cross-country
skiing.
COMMITTEE MEMBER TSCHERSICH stated the last few years we have worked here on trail
surveys, public input, and questionnaires have went out to the general public. What came out of it
is people would like to have certain areas limited for only pedestrian use, and others for
motorized use. There should be some regulations.
COMMITTEE MEMBER SAL TONST ALL stated that people come here thinking they can ride
their A TV anywhere. There needs to be more education.
Michalski stated one of his concerns is the paintball course near Swampy Acres. From a liability
standpoint, it is pretty much Federal Government Policy we leave our lands open for public use
unless we are doing some sort of restricted activity. As far as liability, if it's public recreational
use there is some protection in the law for the land owner. We thought about putting signs up that
says "Open for recreational use; however, you must use appropriate safety equipment. He said
the paintball use area is spilling over onto the Natives of Kodiak land. They have clearly marked
their land.
COMMITTEE MEMBER HUNTLEY asked if there is a paintball club or organization.
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Michalski said what he found out was everyone goes to the dive shop in town, which they hand
out a Coast Guard waiver that he has never seen. The paintballs are biodegradable. It's out ofthe
way and not shooting across the road or running across the road. It's not a hazardous place and
it's quiet back there. He hasn't spoken to the Natives of Kodiak, but the comer of the property is
right there at the edge of where they've been playing and now it's spilling over. This all started
with a club in the Coast Guard that started this.
COMMITTEE MEMBER FOREMAN joined the meeting at 7:15 pm.
COMMITTEE MEMBER HUNTLEY stated that rather than trying to put rules and regulations,
if there is an entity that has the ability to get the word out he would much rather see that than
have an entity of authority to tell them.
Michalski said what they don't want is the public to thinking this is a Coast Guard sanctioned
paintball place. It is simply property that is open for public recreational use.
COMMITTEE MEMBER TSCHERSICH asked he had some discussion with (inaudible) some
years ago about opening a trail all around Buskin Lake. There is one area on the eastern side that
is a magazine. He thought there might be a problem with that. Would it be possible to for the
public to have some way to go around the lake?
Gilmore said he would have to look into that because there might be a problem because it is a
restricted area with the magazines and rifle and pistol range right there.
COMMITTEE MEMBER TSCHERSICH asked if maybe just a little coastal path over the hill
there.
Gilmore said he can bring that up come spring.
CHAIR SIROFCHUCK stated we aren't to the guidelines stage yet. Chapter 9 in the Parks &
Recreation section in the Comp Plan is the current draft, and we are looking to implement a
Trails Plan. As far as guidance, we could direct you to look at the Comp Plan.
Gilmore stated the mountain bike shop has a poor hiking map.
COMMITTEE MEMBER TSCHERSICH said there is an Audubon Society hiking and birding
map that is laminated.
Gilmore stated they had calls last spring about 4 wheelers being in restricted areas, but couldn't
find them. There just aren't enough officers to enforce these things. We have been putting
boulders at the places where they are going around the gates.
CHAIR SIROFCHUCK stated in opening some areas is to try to figure out how to enforce or
clearly mark where or where they shouldn't use.
Gilmore we do hold newcomer welcomes which we could recommend to include some A TV
guidelines in the packets.
COMMITTEE MEMBER SAL TONST ALL stated they should include some firearm info also.
VICE CHAIR FOREMAN asked Gilmore if there is anything Parks & Rec can do to help with
new family orientation.
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Gilmore said the Coast Guard has a requirement if in the Coast Guard and you are riding on
government property you are required to go through a safety course they give. Unfortunately, that
has fallen out.
COMMITTEE MEMBER HUNTLEY asked if there is an active A TV club on base.
Gilmore replied no, but there is the Emerald Isle 4-wheel club. Gilmore also said P&R could
show us on a map of where we aren't supposed to ride we could pass that information on to the
newcomers as they arrive.
VICE CHAIR FOREMAN said we can get maps from the borough for the White Sands, Pillar
Creek reservoir, and the Bells Flats areas closed to motorized use.
Dvorak stated the Jack & Lee Lakes Natural Use Area is considered to be the real gem out there,
and there has been some abuse of the area. There are also old roads and old trails that pre-existed
the Natural Use zone, but from a staff perspective we would consider grandfathered, in addition
there are trails that go through that area to State land and native land that access has to be
provided to these lands beyond. He doesn't know of any native corporations that allow public
A TV use on their land; however, when the Native Claim Settlement was done, when those
conveyances took place there were provisions referred to as 17B Easements, and those are 25
foot wide easements that go through native lands to public lands, State lands, Federal lands, etc.
to try to preserve historical public access. Those 17B Easements can't be restricted from
motorized use. These trails haven't really been surveyed or defined properly, and maybe they
tend to move a little over time. Some of the trails go over private lands or other lands and that
has been a problem of why we haven't been able to publish the maps. We can't publish maps that
encourage people to go on private land.
Gilmore stated they have a map that shows the established stream crossings and trail in Saltery
Cove. He also said the Coast Guard is pretty much where P&R is with the trails. If there is any
trail work or mapping on Coast Guard property they will be happy to help.
OLD BUSINESS
There was no old business.
NEW BUSINESS
A) Implementation of the Parks & Recreation section of the Borough Wide Comp Plan
CHAIR SIROFCHUCK stated VICE CHAIR FOREMAN and he went to the Comp Plan
meeting at Peterson Elementary. He had emailed the members to read the most recent draft of the
Parks and Recreation Plan to see if there's anything we want to add, change, or whatever.
COMMITTEE MEMBER TSCHERSICH commented it is full oftypos and the colored things
are impossible to read. You can't see the important details, the graphs and tables are multi
colored, and the print is too faint.
COMMITTEE MEMBER JUENGER said she thinks it is the function of how it's in the internet.
COMMITTEE MEMBER SAL TONST ALL asked if it has changed dramatically since the last
meeting because he was quite happy with it.
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Dvorak stated we are working with them on the production values of the plan. He recognizes
some of the short comings in the tables and what not. We will ask the consultants to do a better
job on the graphics in particular so people can read them. We requested a format change because
we intend on distributing this electronically through the Borough website, on CD to the villages
and other places, and we expect a lot of people to read this on their computer rather than copy it
or publish it. The final will be in color so it will be fairly expensive document to copy. We want
it electronically so people can see the colors and not have to kill a lot of trees in the process. The
columns are a problem to read on the computer. Now it is in single column format, so it will be a
reasonable size and easier to read.
COMMITTEE MEMBER TSCHERSICH said on page 12, under Implementation Actions there
is highest priorities, and then other priorities the bike path is not under highest priority.
It was the consensus of the committee to make the following changes:
. Change the sentence under Implementation Actions to read "For areas on the road system,
focus on developing, enhancing and maintaining trails according to the following
priorities:"
. Move the "bicycle trail from White Sands to Salonie Creek" from Other Priorities to
Highest Priorities under Implementation Actions.
VICE CHAIR FOREMAN stated in the Gateway Process, when the community was going
through this visioning of where do you want your industry area, your residential development,
and so on. They had a land use map with Mylar sheets that you layover it. There were a variety
of scenarios to look at to help decide what would work best. Something like that might work for
the urban area.
COMMITTEE MEMBER SAL TONST ALL asked if at that time to make a motion as far as
development affecting recreation we would rather see population stay focused in certain areas
and the main public land stay open.
CHAIR SIROFCHUCK asked ifhe was talking about a vision statement. On page 2 it says
basically what we are supposed to do, it says the committee is empowered to: We could ask for a
vision statement to be there.
Dvorak stated COMMITTEE MEMBER SALTONSTALL'S comment has ramifications beyond
the Parks & Recreation. It plays OK in the Parks & Rec's Chapter, but you are talking about
development rights of property owners and native corporations that may have different ideas of
what they want to do in the future. Dvorak feels that's something that may be needs to be here
but also in Chapter 11 where we talk about each community in turn or the road system in general
as sort of a vision there. It could be implemented but it will probably need more play than just in
this chapter. If you limit it there it won't have the weight to sway the P&Z when rezone requests
start coming in. If it is put in Chapter 11 or other chapters where it is more applicable you are
more likely to get a feel from the general public whether they resonate with that or whether there
is push back. An essential part of the process is to put these things out there to gain feedback
from the public to build consensus.
VICE CHAIR FOREMAN stated if the visionary statement is the appropriate we could request
the consultants include it in the Parks section in this document. She also told COMMITTEE
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MEMBER TSCHERSICH that Chapter 7 -Transportation has a lot regarding bicycle paths and
pedestrian paths.
After much discussion, it was the consensus that the Comp Plan needs a visionary statement for
Kodiak and the road system. Staffwas requested to provide the visionary statement from around
August 2004 at the next meeting and put it as an agenda item under New Business, and keep the
Parks & Rec section of the Comp Plan as a placeholder under Old Business. Chapter 7-
Transportation should be on the next agenda also.
VICE CHAIR FOREMAN asked to be excused at the January 23rd meeting due to being out of
town.
COMMITTEE MEMBER TSCHERSICH asked to be excused at the January 23rd and February
13the meetings due to he will be out of town.
COMMUNICATIONS
There were no communications.
REPORTS
Dvorak updated the committee on the Recreational Amenities Ordinance reporting that it
appeared before the Planning & Zoning Commission at their December meeting and they
recommended it be forwarded to the Assembly. It hasn't been forwarded yet due to their
December meeting was cancelled. It will be transmitted to the Manager's office the end of this
week or early next week before it goes to the attorney. Dvorak believes it will go to the Assembly
sometime in February.
A) Meeting schedule:
. January 23, 2007 regular meeting at 7:00 p.m. in the KIB School District Conference
Room.
. February 13, 2007 regular meeting at 7:00 p.m. in the KIB School District Conference
Room.
There were no further reports.
AUDIENCE COMMENTS
There were no audience comments.
COMMITTEE MEMBER'S COMMENTS
VICE CHAIR FOREMAN is very happy the Recreational Amenities Ordinance is going forward.
COMMITTEE MEMBER HUNTLEY agrees with Foreman.
COMMITTEE MEMBER SAL TONST ALL asked if we are doing a Trails Plan.
CHAIR SIROFCHUCK stated he was under the impression that once the plan was done he
thought Parks & Rec would do the Trails Plan.
Dvorak stated this plan is intended to be finished by the end of this fiscal year. Probably, within
the next couple of weeks we will start budgeting for the next fiscal year 2008. We need to come
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up with some kind of idea of what resources will be necessary and try to build a budget for that
we could lobby for as a group.
VICE CHAIR FOREMAN asked Dvorak when do department heads have to have their budget
forwarded to the Manager.
Dvorak stated the packets will probably be distributed by the end of January for next years
budget. Usually, we have the month of February to construct a budget for each department. He
believes budgets would have to be turned in to the Manger by early March, late February.
VICE CHAIR FOREMAN stated for January 23rd we will start looking at the budget and pencil
out what we will need. By the February 13th meeting we will try to come to agreement so Dvorak
can take it to write up a budget. She requested staff to provide whatever tools needed.
COMMITTEE MEMBER TSCHERSICH reminded the committee of the typos and map
discrepancies and descriptions.
CHAIR SIROFCHUCK thanked the two gentlemen for coming in to the meeting.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 8:40 p.m.
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DATE APPROVED: February 13, 2007
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