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2006-10-24 Regular Meeting f5) [E ~ ~-1_~ rm Minutes 1JIl~ 4 2007 IlW Architectural/Engineering Review Board Meeting L- ..--J 24 October 2006 - Noon BOROUGH CLEF\f\'S OFFICE KIB Conference Room A. Call to Order The meeting was called to order by the Vice Chair at 12:01 pm. B. Roll Call ARB Members present were Jerrol Friend, Gregg Hacker, Charlie Jerling, Jay Johnston, Reed Oswalt and Brent Watkins. Absent Member was Scott Arndt. Representing the KIB Engineering and Facilities Department were Bud Cassidy, Ken Smith and Sharon Lea Adinolfi. Also present was Jae Shin of ECI/Hyer. C. Approval of Agenda It was moved and seconded to approve the Agenda. There was a unanimous affirmative roll call vote. D. Discussion of Issues Re New Pool Design to Move Forward to 65% Design Phase 1. Review Items on Matrix Jay Johnston, Vice Chair, told the Board that the meeting was being held to pick up where the pool design was left off. Need to confirm where we are to give direction to the Architects to move forward to the 65% design stage. Wanted the Board to go through the items on the Matrix developed by ECI/Hyer after the 31 May 2006 ARB Meeting where changes were suggested in response to the 35% Design Presentation. #1 Increase overall width of building by 10' B. Tucker said that DEC code requirements may dictate area between the pool and deck - handrail would create a separation. B. Watkins questioned what could be changed and still be within the Bond l;::lnnll;::lf1A ._.."'--"'_. B. Tucker responded that as long as the facility stays within the language of the Ed Specs for the initial Bond Project changes would be acceptable. If sf is being added to satisfy Code requirements, DEED would accept. C:\Documents and Settings\sadinolfi\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\OLKD51\Minutes ARB 061024.doc Page 1 of 6 B. Watkins said he wasn't referring to code reasons but to what the voters voted for. J. Johnston said that a public meeting had been held at the 35% Presentation. The public had participated in the discussion re changes. J. Johnston said he wouldn't want anything permanent on the deck - could use collapsible apparatus. He questioned R. Oswalt, who had suggested an additional 3' be added to the original suggested 7' addition. R. Oswalt answered that he thought more room was needed - would eliminate crowding and would increase the space in the rooms below. Consensus was to stay with the 10' increase in space. #2 Eliminate the last bank of bleachers adjacent to the diving board. J. Johnston suggested that area be retained for visiting teams - could be marked off. R. Oswalt questioned the ease of access from that space to the dressing rooms. J. Shin said the increased space would allow for access. J. Johnston said that the bleachers should be segmented. R. Oswalt questioned the handicapped access to the bleachers. J. Shin said that usually there are handicapped areas set aside at the lower level and he would be looking into various types of bleachers. #3 Increased escalation factor - already done. #4 Change pool construction from stainless steel tank to concrete - already done. #5 Add salt water chlorine generation system R. Oswalt read a portion of an article dealing with UV system and argued for both systems [saline and UV]. B. Tucker advised that UV is not a stand alone system - must be coupled w/a chlorine system. He also noted that he had spoken with 6 pool operators across the state and none use both systems. All use saline only. He said he had difficulty with spending money on a second system [UV] when it is not needed. C:\Documents and Settings\sadinolfi\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\OLKD51\Minutes ARB 061024.doc Page 2 of 6 R. Oswalt said his information was from the lower 48 and he would be happy to provide a list of contact persons. B. Watkins said he did not think having a back up system was a bad idea and now seemed like a good time to design it in. K. Smith said he had spoken w/TMI and they were 99+% sure that a saline system by itself would be completely satisfactory. J. Friend asked what the cost of the 2nd system would be. B. Tucker - $35k + maintenance costs. J. Friend commented that in his research it should be noted that UV isn't an instant resolution [to increased bather load]. K. Smith said it would take approximately 6 hours for the water to be recirculated. J. Friend recommended that room be left [in the design for the new pool] for the UV system but go with saline initially [in the existing pool]. J. Johnston suggested the architects and engineers allow for both systems in the 65% design - make a separate line item for both in the budget that comes with the 65% design. J. Friend said that there would be a study coming out after the first of the year dealing with the use of both systems. #6 Concern re Cement Board J. Johnston said he liked the product but wanted to know what was wrong with its use at Northstar. B. Tucker said it could have to do with the installation. J. Friend said he uses the product and likes it, but it must be treated properly - primed properly, two coats of paint on top and joints and edges sealed properly. J. Johnston and B. Tucker both said that attention to detail was important in working with this product and suggested that Bid Docs have "tightened specs". Consensus was to proceed with this product. #7 3" of Pavement Instead of 2" in Parking Lot Consensus to use 3". C:\Documents and Settings\sadinolfi\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\OLKD51\Minutes ARB 061024.doc Page 3 of 6 ',--- #8 "Essential Bldg. Clause" - Resolved #9 Cedar Wall Treatment Concern re this material had been expressed at the 31 May Presentation. J. Shin said that it had been selected for its warmth and acoustical value. There are composite wood products available - he will look at alternatives. Note: Incorporating an air distribution element was also part of this item - it was not discussed at the meeting but is noted on the Matrix that ECI/Hyer & AMC will look into incorporating a mechanical duct/distribution element. #10 Investigate Layout Options for Shallow Pool B. Tucker said that good wheelchair access is needed. Needs to be easy to use. J. Friend said that ADA requirements must be satisfied and suggested a combination of a ramp and stairs. J. Johnston said the shallow area will need further discussion. J. Shin will follow up on this issue. ~ #11 Coaching aisles along both sides of pool J. Johnston said the space allows coaches to coach and is also a safety issue. Adding a rail would be helpful. G. Hacker said there are requirements for a certain amount of space. J. Shin will investigate requirements. #12-13 Cost Heat Exchange/Recovery System Mechanical and Electrical Operational Costs Change in mechanical section was $65+k K. Smith said the original construction figure was $9.6M - with changes made by ARB at 31 May Presentation the new figure = $11.2M. Bond Projects office to investigate overall costs to run the entire facility - J. Shin to assist. ~' C:\Documents and Settings\sadinolfi\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\OLKD51\Minutes ARB 061024.doc Page 4 of 6 2. Any New Issues Significant to the 65% Design Phase G. Hacker said that from this point forward the Project should be worked from a fixed budget approach - based on the 2nd Bond vote - there will not be another. J. Johnston suggested waiting for 65% figures to see where we are budget wise. B. Tucker said some items could be put out to bid as added alternatives. J. Johnston and J. Friend suggested staying with the Program through 65% and 95% with the Architects being alert to the budget. Parking and Access It was suggested that there be one-way lanes - in an out. G. Hacker said there should be no additional vehicle traffic on the alleyway that comes off Powell and goes along side the National Guard Bldg. - it is not a road and cannot withstand any additional vehicular traffic. There was also a brief discussion re the main access road off Mill Bay not being desirable. J. Shin to look at better access options. K. Smith said that access to the changing rooms is another issue that needs to be looked at. J. Shin responded that site constraint and placement of the locker rooms had dictated the location of the changing rooms, but he would look at redesigning that area. There was a consensus to "let it ride" for now. G. Hacker brought up the issue of the National Guard's property. B. Cassidy will work on that. J. Johnston asked if in floor heating could be looked at. Seems like an efficient system. Could it be added? J. Shin said that he had seen the system in place in Alyeska and that it was very nice on bare feet and also helped with condensation of water from the deck. J. Friend suggested it be used in locker rooms and lobby. C:\Documents and Settings\sadinolfi\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\OLKD51\Minutes ARB 061024.doc Page 5 of 6 J. Shin will take a look at this and supply info in the 65% design. Schedule K. Smith asked that ECI/Hyer take a look at the new projected schedule. Delay, after the 35% Presentation by the Assembly had set the Project schedule back 4 months - which then put awarding of a construction contract out to August 07. This delay has caused the loss of a building season and will certainly impact the costs. He would like to shorten the length of time getting the bid to the Assembly for approval. What can be done to improve this new schedule? J. Shin said that the 65% design phase will be easy to get to because they have good direction. He also suggested looking at different delivery methods and will work on revising the schedule. E. Public Comments None F. Board Comments None G. Adjournment The meeting was adjourned at 1 :18 pm. Respectfully submitted: Sharon Lea A nolfi, Project Assistan KIB Engineering/Facilitie 1. Date: ~~tP P f/ Date: ~/ytl Jay John on, Vice Chair Architec ral/Engineering Review Board Cy placed in Pool File C:\Docurnents and Settings\sadinolfi\Local Settings\Ternporary Internet Files\OLKD51\Minutes ARB 061024.doc Page 6 of 6 o -., w 0" ~. - 0-' q 2 S' ~ g ~ C1Q '" g.. ri '" <= ::; ::; 0... '" .... n ::r ~ '" -0 ~ ~ ~ ~ -0 0-' '" ;:;- ~ " ., '" ~ 3 -0 ., o ~"~ ~. ::r ::; '" C1Q ~ :;. '" '" ;:i '" '" ~:g '" ., ::; 0 .... >< '" -" .... :; g..~ '" '" '< o o 0) ::l" n 0-' ::r :; ~ '" C1Q .... '" ~ '" '" ::; e;~ ~ ~ '" ~ ~: 2., ., n ., '" .... :; o '" o a :;'0-' '" 0 ., '" '" ., ., 0... 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