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2016-03-22 Regular Meeting EC ""w IED KODIAK ISLAND BOROUGH PARKS & RECREATION COMMITTEE I 2016 MINUTES March 22, 2046 Regular Meeting 7 p m IB net ,►r r, ,� CoK CALL TO ORDER CHAIR SALTONSTALL called to order the March 22, 2016 Parks and Recreation Committee Regular Meeting at 7:03 p.m. ROLL CALL Requested excusal was Mamie Leist due to being out of town. Committee members present were Patrick Saltonstall, Sharon Wolkoff, Dale Stratton, Ben Millstein, and Helm Johnson (7:04 p.m.). Excused was Mamie Leist. Ex-officio members present were Alan Schmitt, and Corey Gronn. Absent ex-officio members were Frank Peterson, and Ron Bryant. A quorum was established. Community Development Department staff present was Director Pederson, Tom Quass, and Sheila Smith. COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN MOVED excuse Mamie Leist. VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY APPROVAL OF AGENDA COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN MOVED to approve the agenda. VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS 0 January 26, 2016 and February 23, 2016 COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN MOVED to approve the minutes as submitted. VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AUDIENCE COMMENTS AND APPEARANCE REQUESTS None OLD BUSINESS A) Trails Within the Watershed Area— Pillar Creek Bench trail (#47) (Mark Kozak, Kodiak City Public Works) Mark Kozak, Public Works gave a report on the importance of watershed areas, Filtration Avoidance Approval, new regulations implemented in the 90's, the Surface Water System to implement the Watershed Management Control Plan, protecting the source water with one key being to protect the source water from human activity within the watersheds, their Annual Filtration Survey done by the Regulators with physical inspection of the watersheds, and EPA standards. He stated signs were posted and rocks were put up to block trucks and four- wheelers from accessing the watershed areas on trail 47 and that seems to be working right now. The watershed areas are healing in a quiet manner to let it return to the way it was. B) Trail Summit Planning CHAIR SALTONSTALL went through the agenda and process. March 22, 2016 Page 1 of 11 Parks and Recreation Minutes During discussion there was consensus to remove the regular meeting from the Trails Summit agenda title, minutes of previous meetings, audience comments and appearance requests, and old business items. There are other opportunities for the public to speak during the meeting. CHAIR SALTONSTALL will meet with staff to ensure that we have everything for the summit. COMMITTEE MEMBER STRATTON said he wants to take everyone to Saltery mid-May so you can see the conditions of the trail. CHAIR SALTONSTALL stated we may want to make that our May meeting. C) Monashka Bandit Range Quass said most of them are on State land. He said COMMITTEE MEMBER WOLKOFF has been sending him some different grants to look at. Quass said he applied for some of them and they flat out turned us down. There is another grant for Healthy Tomorrows that he will be working on and he's going to be talking to them. We need to be talking about what we want to accomplish with whatever grant money we get and how we can apply for it so it makes sense to what we want to do with it, whether it be cleaning it up and stuff like that. Quass has to have the application in by April I". Some users are shaming other users of the bandit ranges. Troopers are actively watching them also. We've had signs up in the past and we plan to put more signs up, our Resource Management Officer, Quass, and Director Pederson have been working on some of those things not just signage and other things to try to make people realize they shouldn't be shooting in areas like that. Director Pederson said if KISA would get it together to do what they need to do to get the outdoor range re-opened again but it might help, at least for people that are going to use a bandit range no matter what we do. Just so you know they got, a couple of weeks ago, their permits in place to build shelter over the firing line at Salonie Creek. It will make it a much more desirable place. Originally, they were going to do some series of individual shelters including one at the pistol range site out there. The permit so far is one longer structure over the firing line for the rifle range and they are still planning, hopefully, doing something on the pistol range as well. It's not a solution but it's a piece of the puzzle if you have a more desirable place to shoot hopefully they will go there. COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN asked how people find out about the Salonie Creek when it's open, that's maybe the issue. Director Pederson said that's been an issue with KISA because this year or last summer was the time for the periodic review under the grant and at one time that State grant money that the borough got, they were pushing for it to be open to the public five days a week. KISA, that's the struggle, but they have a caretaker out there. Caretaker's get rent for less than half the market value that it would seem to Pederson that they could keep it open. They made the commitment at the time we did the grant report to be open 96 hours a week, two days, but they sort of haven't been doing that. it's just the grant report way. He hasn't checked the website lately but it says one afternoon a month, which he doesn't think is fulfilling the intent of the public access. The public can walk in at any time but you have to be a member to get the key to the gate. It's public land and actually KISA has no authority over the roadway, that gate is there because the borough put it there due to vandalism and other things. The key system works for KISA but their lease does not include that roadway because there was an issue with the former caretaker sort of going out there and taking ownership of the roadway, which caused some problems. That's how you get a key, if you are an annual member of KISA whatever the fee is. People have objected to that because at one time he heard in order to be a member of KISA you had to be an NRA member and there were people who objected to that connection. That was an issue. We have told them because it was in the grant, they can charge for the use of the range, they can charge a fee and there was some discussion that they wanted people to sign a release so we said they can't do that because it's public land. You can ask them to but you can't deny them March 22,2016 Page 2 of 11 Parks and Recreation Minutes access if they don't sign a release. There's some ongoing issues that he knows Duane Dvorak has been in communication with. COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN asked if part of their lease have like a performance thing that they are required to do those two days as you mentioned and if not would it work to add that language. Director Pederson said it's not a specific number in there, at one time the State DNR was pushing, Parks and Rec was pushing for five days a week and the borough said that's unreasonable, there's no way that's ever going to, a volunteer organization like that could ever do that, and it was agreed at the time five to seven years ago that two days a week should be adequate. Then we noticed when it came time for renewal that the website says only one afternoon a month. COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN asked if their lease is current and to when. Director Pederson said yes, he doesn't know, that he could see Dvorak. COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN said it's a prime piece of real estate. EX-OFFICIO COREY GRONN said if you are having bandit range issues and we're not having a range actually open maybe that's a really solid step right there. Director Pederson said there is a relationship there but not a direct one. You could be open every day at Salonie Creek, you could be open like it used to be in the old days when you could go out to shoot anytime behind the indoor range and there was still people out shooting at the bandit range. Quass said, come on, you know people in Kodiak, they don't want to conform. EX-OFFICIO COREY GRONN said if it's an issue that's an angle that could be looked at as a way of cleaning up. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said he will argue the other side too because he was a person who got really mad when he had to join the NRA to get a key. He then talked to Duane Dvorak and the KISA people, and found out a lot about it. They are actually getting pushed from the other side; NRA gives them insurance. SALTONSTALL joined the NRA, and can see their point. He would like more access. Director Pederson said they are required to have insurance. He said it's in much better shape than it was years ago. They did a nice cleanup and graded the road last year. EX-OFFICIO COREY GRONN asked if the gate even has operational hours on it. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said it does. COMMITTEE MEMBER STRATTON asked if the Code Enforcement is out there at the bandit range or is it the same people every time you go or different ones. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said yes, it's different people. Quass said he's never seen the same person twice. COMMITTEE MEMBER JOHNSON said you can see it, targets are left, it's always been there. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said that's why getting grant money to clean it up and putting up signs, people will see it. He thinks it could work. Someone is going to get shot there and if we don't do anything. But it doesn't look like a shooting range anymore and fewer people will use it hopefully. We all decided as a group not to go down the hammer route because it wouldn't work. CHAIR SALTONSTALL asked Quass if the committee is happy with this, Quass is going to work on the grant and he asked Quass if we need to come up with ideas. March 22, 2016 Page 3 of 11 Parks and Recreation Minutes Quass said he's not sure yet but he'll send out an email if he kind of has an angle of what we can incorporate using that money to provide clean up materials and stuff like that, try to get an organization that we could use like the Boy Scouts for an Eagle project or Girl Scouts and things like that. We can take a look at that and then the reason he'd like to try to use one of those organizations and use funding to make sure we have, he doesn't think we have to wont' about lead remediation at this point. There's lots of bullets out there but he doesn't think it's that bad. Also, if you have an organization like that it's news worthy, then it becomes an article of"this is what's happened in this area and this is these people cleaning it up, and community pride and that sort of thing." Sometimes you can gain momentum that way with the shaming of people to stop using it. D) Termination Point(Placeholder) Nothing new. E) Saltery Trail Improvements (Placeholder) Director Pederson said they did the assessments last summer, and we've sort of developed the work program, did the contract, and there was some work that did get done towards about the time silvers started running a couple of areas where the water came down it was carved out and was getting a little dicey going over it in the one place where the water came down and hit the road, ran down and washed out all the vines at one of the nastiest rock places. This year the remainder of the work under the grant will occur this summer that will involve bringing a barge around from Pasagshak with the equipment to come up from the bottom. The focus of that grant was Coastal Water Quality Impact so it's not just trails, if that coincides with better trails and safety that's great but there's not enough money to fix everything. Clearly, the priority areas for work are down at Bedsprings Hole and up from there where the bank is cut back and the trail goes right along with it. That's really a direct water quality impact so he's moving that in and either blocking or signing so people don't continue to run right up to the edge getting erosion going. There's only so many improvements there. If anyone is interested in the specifics Quass has a copy of that program that's being done by Island Trails Network that will occur this summer he believes in August. There will be days when the trail will be blocked while they are working on it. Most of the improvements this year will be on the other side. CHAIR SALTONSTALL stated now when we do this Trail Summit we will be getting input on Saltery Cove but our focus will be on the other areas so that we can get TMO's so eventually we can get more money to fix other areas. Pederson said they are doing the race again this spring, going in the Miam side and over and back out. COMMITTEE MEMBER STRATTON said it's from Winecoupe's up over and back in to Saltery. Pederson said Quass has a copy of the grant if anyone wants to see it. F) Island Lake Trail Improvements (Placeholder) Pederson said all the work has to be done by June 300' or we lose that money due to this being the last extension they will give. Island Trails Network is doing the work improving a couple of the bridges, shipping up the beams, swinging one of the bridges, and doing some improvements there. They'll be starting on it soon. G) Killarney Hills (Placeholder) Director Pederson said now that Sara Mason has joined Community Development Department, she is taking ownership of this project, and she's also developed a work plan, a schedule that wasn't included in your packet that we gave to P&Z recently and asked them to look at it, think about it, get back with staff if they have any comments or issues. We are beginning that process so there will be a lot of interaction with the neighbors and other interested parties. He envisions at some point there will need to be some sort of joint work session with P&R, P&Z, and possibly March 22, 2016 Page 4 of 11 Parks and Recreation Minutes the assembly to try to get all the parties together at the same time. There is some data gathering, assembly information, and Mason is working on a letter to the neighbors about embarking on this, keeping them in the loop as the borough is committed to do. As you go through this and have any comments give Mason a call. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said it looks like you are trying to do an assessment of park and field needs. Pederson said that was the product that we just gave to P&Z recently (inaudible). EX-OFFICIO MEMBER SCHMITT said he had asked that we are going to move it to New Business for our April P&Z agenda hoping to tell her to get started on it and that we are OK with it. He for one was really excited to see this because it's doing all the contacts that need to be made, involving this group and the City Parks and Rec. He said on the P&Z side he can say that he's the minority, most of the P&Z folks, although there haven't been any votes he thinks the majority would say that residences should be put on the lot. He's also on the borough Lands Committee and they kind of think the same thing, although they've got it in a long-term. One of the big factors for SCHMITT is the cost associated with putting in sewer and water there because you are down to bedrock. When the borough cleared that land for the hospital they took it down to bedrock and to put in sewer and water it's going to be quite the cost. Part of what Mason is talking about doing is getting the numbers. P&Z previously initially approved a four lot subdivision that didn't come to Parks and Rec and when Pederson got the cost estimates for putting in the sewer and water for those lots it came back because it was going to make more sense to do more lots to try to spread the cost out. Pederson said you missed one step, when it was going to be on the last land sale in 2014 the assembly balked saying it was because of that cost that we do not want to sell those four lots as a tract and have one developer buy it and sit on them. If they're going to sell them they want to sell them as individual lots so folks could have a chance to buy one to build a home. Then they came back with again, a new disposal request for up to nine lots, then P&Z sort of balked at that but they blessed the six lots but we need to do a master plan once and for all to figure out what the community is going to do with that property before we have any more discussion of a land sale. That kind of got hijacked by all the work that P&Z has been doing associated with things that has spawned out the closure of Jackson's Mobile Home Park. With Martin Lydick retiring and Mason coming on board, we have people that can focus on this. EX-OFFICIO MEMBER GRONN asked EX-OFFICIO MEMBER SCHMITT as a Planning and Zoning Commissioner in regards to this tract, what is the huge push because making all of these lots available is not going to be affordable housing. It doesn't matter who you are you aren't going to make a piece of land and call it affordable housing in this community. It's not going to happen unless the government gives it away, and even then you couldn't build a house for less than $250,000 with sewer and water, so his question for P&Z and this committee would be what is the huge push. That's a huge question and is affordable housing even being considered for this study by Mason. Director Pederson said there's a couple of misconceptions. First, to subdivide it the borough has to put in the infrastructure, and he thinks there are those on the assembly and P&Z with different views but he doesn't think they are looking to make a profit on that. They are looking to get land in the hands of people because every public meeting we have we get that testimony that there's not lots for people to buy because most of the vacant lots have been snapped up by a couple of owner's that he's sure most of you know who they are. They will sell you a lot only if they can build you a house. He disagrees with Gronn on his cost estimate of building a house because there's some people running some serious numbers. Another thing P&Z is looking to work on is a new zoning district for smaller lots to reduce the land costs. Not affordable housing as defined by HUD, but less costly housing. That's the push because every meeting we go to people cry out about getting borough land, and that's the only flat piece we have even though there would be rock costs involved, there's utilities next to it, it's flat, any other piece of borough land has are March 22, 2016 Page 5 of 21 Parks and Recreation Minutes little pieces here and there are all hills that would require a lot of tree removal and would be even more expensive to get utilities to. From a planning perspective, making use of the available infrastructure is a logical place you would look at. EX-OFFICIO MEMBER GRONN asked what about the lot behind Safeway that construction is being stored. Pederson said because that was Smoky's dump before it might be a better place to have sports fields than to have houses and you would have to extend utilities back there too. COMMITTEE MEMBER JOHNSON said you already have utilities stubbed; water, sewer, and electric to lots that were sold to people where there is not road for. If you are looking for affordable or cost effective housing why not get the fourteen lots that there's already water and sewer behind Island Lake. Pederson said those are not in borough ownership. Those were platted in 1952 as water access only. When the Federal Government disposed of that property it was no roads intended to go on that land. Now they have water and sewer because of water quality issues, but the borough doesn't own them to sell the lots that exist, there's no public right-of-way because it's all easements, it's Pruitt Lane. There are issues going on and the guy has been in our office probably at least five hours this week alone, there are legal issues going on with access, rights, and easements. One thing the borough has done on Peninsula, the other one that comes into that area, whenever someone has subdivided they've been required to dedicate so eventually if everyone does, there will be a right-of-way, some kind of legal access back there. The only land the borough has or the city, an extension of Von Scheele. First of all it's zoned Natural Use and second there are anadromous waters in there and a lot of wetlands. That was the charge of the Borough Lands Committee, to look at all of this land. EX-OFFICIO MEMBER SCHMITT said coming back to Tract R-2, on Mason's page 2 she has the value of the improved lots, she kind of wants to do a return on investment analysis which makes sense. SCHMITT suggested at the last P&Z meeting that if they are also going to consider moving the ballfield that the cost of doing that needs to be worked into it and whose going to pay for it. All of these things need to be looked at. He thinks it's going to be real important for this group and anyone else you know about to be involved in this process to be heard because flat land is good for houses but it's also good for ballfields, and we need both. EX-OFFICIO MEMBER GRONN asked where is the borough with these current six lots that are approved to be sold. Director Pederson said no, there's still preliminary plat approval and it doesn't look like it pencils out so that's one of the things the Land Committee will be looking at because you've got in a public process, you have to go out to do a Request For Proposal, you have to go out to bid for the survey work, road work, water and sewer lines so there has been some preliminary discussions. That ended when Bob Scholze retired and then there was a hiatus there until Duane Dvorak came on board. The Borough Lands Committee has had maybe three or four meetings now and they are really working hard. Their charge is to look at all the borough lands and other lands and formulating trying to get a land sale this fall and they are focusing on low hanging fruit to get a sale going. They have three categories; short-term, medium-range, and long-term, looking at things like development constraints or will it require Camp Plan Amendments and rezones in addition to platting or rock work and everything else. There's a hierarchy they are working through. EX-OFFICIO MEMBER GRONN said for Planning and Zoning and the Lands Committee, has the borough also reached out to an organization like Kodiak Island Housing for more on affordable housing, saying we're not going to sell this as an individual lot, we're going to sell this as a multi-complex unit so that way you are getting that target group. It's something to consider because the individual house you aren't going to get the most return for, you're not going to serve the most people, you are going to get one family. March 22,2016 Page 6 of 11 Parks and Recreation Minutes EX-OFFICIO MEMBER SCHMITT said we haven't gotten to that stage yet. There are some larger parcels like on the comer of Sharatin and Rezanof that is a multi-acre parcel that conceivably could. In coming back to this he was excited to see what Mason had put together because it seems pretty comprehensive, talking to a lot of stakeholders, all the stakeholders she could think of. COMMITTEE MEMBER JOHNSON said when the original six lots started as four and then nine, then six lots came. Director Pederson said until the final plat is recorded for the six lots the plat still exists in the public record for the four lots. EX-OFFICIO MEMBER SCHMITT said the borough never put in the sewer and water. Director Pederson said that is correct, but they could sell it as a block or individually without sewer and water. EX-OFFICIO MEMBER GRONN asked if that was a stipulation that you can sell it as a block if you don't put sewer and water in. Director Pederson said he didn't say that, he's just saying the way it happened in the past there are four platted (inaudible) of record. Once you plat a lot you created a division of land and for all time for sale or use. What happened is because the water was there somebody forgot to look and didn't make the borough put in the sewer before they did the final plat for those four lots. EX-OFFICIO MEMBER GRONN said because someone goofed up back then, it's OK now. Director Pederson said once the plat is recorded in the public record that's a lot for all time. COMMITTEE MEMBER JOHNSON said when we talked about that and the utilities weren't in because that's a terminus line, he believes that was going to bring the utilities in on that end to capacity. Even if you put new utilities in to the giant Killarney Hills it would have to be a whole new line, isn't it. Director Pederson said yes, there's different thoughts. The initial thought, there's a manhole cover up towards Schmitt's house where it sort of ends. EX-OFFICIO MEMBER SCHMITT said he is on the hump but there are two houses further down going towards KANA, they drain sewer wise sanitary sewer drain towards Murphy Way. Director Pederson said the initial thought was to pump up to that but later discussions with Kozak the thought would be to tie in down on Rezanof or ultimately, for example it was all developed with something other than sports fields maybe running a line down Murphy and looping it through and back out. You loop your system but all of that would be, we don't know. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said we got the plan and we'll keep watching it. EX-OFFICIO MEMBER SCHMITT said to stay aware and you may need to rally the troops. In response to EX-OFFICIO MEMBER GRONN question of you did say there was another portion that has a timeline on it that didn't get copied in here, isn't that what you said, Director Pederson said yes, there was a brief timeline that was attached to the back that wasn't put in. Tom Quass said we elected not to put it in because it's going to change by the next meeting from P&Z because then they will, because then they will, you didn't have any, it wasn't concrete. EX-OFFICIO MEMBER GRONN asked if this information was posted on the borough website. Director Pederson said he doesn't know if it has been or not, again this was a draft, it's just a draft product for P&Z comment, that's why you have it. COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN said it's on the website, he read it yesterday. March 22,2016 Page 7 of 11 Parks and Recreation Minutes Director Pederson said you are getting way into the weeds, Gronn, where's the timeline. We aren't even there yet, this was just putting together, here's a framework for discussion. EX-OFFICIO MEMBER GRONN said you said there was a timeline, he just asked if there was an attachment and that's why he asked. Director Pederson said but it was a framework for discussion of the process, not a timeline that we're already planning on. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said we'll keep up on this and keep it on our agenda. H) Anton Larsen Road Project-#2 on CIP List(Placeholder) Director Pederson gave an update stating it's on the CIP List. Quass said we got that last month and he doesn't think anything has changed. Director Pederson said he doesn't see any money coming out of the legislature for that. COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN asked if it was a placeholder just to talk about whether or not there was new information. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said yes. NEW BUSINESS A) Spruce Cape Helo Pad future use Director Pederson said this is one of the things the Lands Committee has looked at. This is an example of an atlas that Duane Dvorak put together and staff of numerous parcels. It again is a living document being updated as need be at each meeting. The helo pad, the Coast Guard won't use it anymore so it's just sitting there unused. The Lands Committee said we should look at this, and this is an earlier version of the map, maybe we should look at grading a lot on either end to dispose of and then keeping the middle part for the dumpster pad and maybe developing a little park area with picnic benches, barbeque pits or something. The discussion last month, I think they all were wanting to explore one lot to dispose of at the helo end, but not the other end because it gets pretty narrow, so the rest of it would be essentially recreational use or a dumpster location but consider recommending to the assembly whether or not they should dispose of the lot where the helo pad was. COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN said that would be a perfect place for a dome. EX-OFFICIO MEMBER SCHMITT one of the committee members had an idea for a viewing place to look at the channel with boats coming or going. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said the far end would make a great, little park. Director Pederson said the sense of the group at the last meeting was let's continue forward looking at and then dimensions will work out and Pederson thinks you can get one lot out of that end, and keep the rest for some sort of recreational. CHAIR SALTONSTALL asked if the committee will see this again when it goes to Planning and Zoning. Director Pederson said if it gets that far. The Lands Committee will make a recommendation to the assembly, they are thinking of a memo, we recommend you start the process to consider disposal of this lot and that one and whatever it is, and then that would trigger an actual assembly by motion would say we want to proceed forward with the disposal of property which triggers review under Title 18 by P&Z and also concurrent if necessary Camp Plan and rezoning actions, then it goes back to the assembly for a final decision. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said as a committee do we want to continue to watch this. March 22, 2016 Page 8 of 11 Parks and Recreation Minutes EX-OFFICIO MEMBER SCHMITT suggested the committee goes to look at it and if you have ideas bring them back. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said we should keep it as a placeholder then. COMMITTEE MEMBER WOLKOFF said she has a concern with the area where there's a lot of erosion, will there be a guardrail or something. Director Pederson said there's no discussion or any identified improvements for that so all the Lands Committee is looking at is should we dispose of a lot here, the rest would remain in borough ownership and it might be something this committee gets involved with if we want to do something with it, what would we do and where would the money come from. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said it would be something like the bandit range. We would come up with a grant and make a park here. COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN said he doesn't necessarily feel it needs to be kept on as a placeholder but if people come back and say they looked at that parcel and they feel that we should talk about it again, then we should put it back on the agenda. Consensus to bring it back if need be. EX-OFFICIO MEMBER GRONN said one thing is a few meetings ago, maybe November, you talked about doing a Parks Master Plan and now you are talking about adding parks here. Maybe it's time to bring it into discussion before you talk about adding another playground/park area or viewing area. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said he agreed and we've said that. This is great, the Killarney Hills thing. EX-OFFICIO MEMBER GRONN said even with that maybe that's considered, maybe it come out of that that land is not necessary but without looking at a Comprehensive Plan you are just throwing a dart in the sky, going off comments and other things happening. Is that in the borough at staff level being worked on at all. Director Pederson said that's a charge we talked about a couple of years ago in this committee that that would be the job of this committee to work on a Parks and Rec Plan for the borough. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said we would never be able to write it and would need to advocate for it. We tried to write the Trails Plan for two meetings and we got one paragraph written for five hours of work. EX-OFFICIO MEMBER GRONN asked who did the 80's plan, there's an 80's Parks Plan. Director Pederson said he has no idea. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said we've been talking about this with the city and we both realize it needs to be done. Director Pederson said maybe the city would do one. EX-OFFICIO MEMBER GRONN stated we would love to do it for ours but we are in a small boundary although we maintain all borough sports fields so we would definitely want those to be considered. He said that himself would include in our planning because we serve the community through the services. Director Pederson said that the Lands Committee was not recommending a park here, maybe that's something that should be considered. He thinks they quickly realized there maybe potential for one lot and that would be the extent of their charge. COMMUNICATIONS A) April Planning and Zoning Public Hearing items March 22,2016 Page 9 of 11 Parks and Recreation Minutes Director Pederson said Item A was withdrawn, the Variance request. EX-OFFICIO SCHMITT said New Business Item B. ideally we will be passing it on. Director Pederson said that's Scope and Timeframe, If you have comments about the content of that draft give Sara Mason a call. EX-OFFICIO SCHMITT said if one or more of you want to come to the April meeting, during Citizen's Comments say you support moving forward with the planning process for Killarney Hills, it wouldn't hurt. It's not a public hearing so you would have to give your comments under Citizen's Comments. Director Pederson said you could also may do a letter to say the committee supports the planning process for moving forward for that parcel. COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN MOVED to authorize the chair to draft on behalf of the borough Parks and Rec a letter to the Planning and Zoning Commission in support for a Comprehensive Plan for Tract R2 of the Killarney Hills Subdivision Master Plan. VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY COMMITTEE MEMBER JOHNSON MOVED to accept Communications VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY REPORTS Meeting Schedule: • April S, 2016 Parks & Recreation Committee Trails Summit - 7 p.m. — KIB Assembly Chambers • April 26, 2016 Parks & Recreation Committee regular meeting - 7 p.m. - KIB Conference Room COMMITTEE MEMBER JOHNSON MOVED to accept Reports. Quass stressed that if we knew for sure you were going to able to be there. If you could let Smith know when she sends out an email as soon as you can. in order for us to sweat the whole quorum thing, the earlier the better. VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY COMMITTEE MEMBER JOHNSON MOVED to accept Reports. VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AUDIENCE COMMENTS None COMMITTEE MEMBER'S COMMENTS EX-OFFICIO MEMBER SCHMITT said he'll be out of town for the Trails Summit but he should be here for the next meeting, and he continues to support the committee's efforts. EX-OFFICIO MEMBER GRONN said he may not be in town for either meeting. He said on Tract R2, moving forward with a master plan of considering all uses is definitely needed.What ever outcome is decided it needs to be zoned properly so there is no question of what it is. Whatever it comes out it needs to be designated and it needs to be moved forward rapidly. If it lingers out there it kind of builds animosity amongst community members because we hear about it often in his line of work. Again City Parks and Rec provides all the services for those user groups. If you haven't been out to Tract R2, we have it cleaned up and got the dilapidated trailer out of there and cleaned up the entrances. They are starting to use the fields again. March 22,2016 Page 10 of 11 Parks and Recreation Minutes COMMITTEE MEMBER SALTONSTALL said he will write the letter up and send it to COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN and then send it in to staff. ADJOURNMENT COMMITTEE MEMBER JOHNSON MOVED to adjourn. CHAIR SALTONSTALL adjourned the meeting at 8:37 p.m. KODIAI ISM BO� OUGH PARKS ANDLECR ATIO 'I COM ITTEE By: Patrick Saltonstall, Ch ATTEST: By. z5baQa S Sheila ' mith, Secretary Community Development Department APPROVED: April 26, 2016 March 22, 2016 Page 11 of 11 Parks and Recreation Minutes