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2016-04-05 Regular Meeting F "W y�D KODIAK ISLAND BOROUGH PARKS & RECREATION COMMITTEE d TRAILS SUMMIT �Iba ,AY 2 MINUTES ..... s" s5#'I Ft April 5 2016 7 p.m " .Q'id A �rrrrrrrrrrrmmm, mn r „�rrrrrmm,,, nn rrrrrrr , ...... r.. . _..... .... _.._...m. ,_, ...�. . �. �.R. .. CALL TO ORDER CHAIR SALTONSTALL called to order the April 5, 2016 Parks and Recreation Committee Trails Summit at 7 p.m. ROLL CALL Requested excusal was Dale Stratton. Committee members present were Patrick Saltonstall, Helm Johnson, Sharon Wolkoff, Marine Leist, and Ben Millstein. Excused was Dale Stratton. Absent ex-officio members were Frank Peterson, Ron Bryant, Alan Schmitt, and Corey Gronn. A quorum was established. COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN MOVED to excuse Dale Stratton. VOICE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY Community Development Department staff present was Tom Quass, Sheila Smith, and Janet Day. APPROVAL OF AGENDA COMMITTEE MEMBER LEIST MOVED to approve the agenda. VOICE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY NEW BUSINESS A) Trails Summit 1. Introduction: Role and Responsibility of the KIB Parks and Recreation Committee CHAIR SALTONSTALL explained the role and responsibilities of the Parks and Recreation Committee according to code stating their duty is to identify existing and future recreational demands including indoor and outdoor recreation, evaluate existing and future recreational needs, and we generate priorities and action plans including Capital Improvement Projects that have to do with recreation. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said we did a Trails Plan a couple of years ago. The Trails Plan is not just an inventory of trails; it is a public process where we looked, got input from the general public, and we came up with a plan that helps the borough develop and it guides the borough when they are developing, it protects the trails, they know what the public wants. The committee decided to have Trail Summits where the public can give input so we can address each area as it came up. We started on Russian Ridge then we did the area behind Bells Flats, Jack & Lee Lakes. Lately we've done the Burma Road area. We've been moving from one area to another. At these Trail Summits, the idea was that if some areas have problems the public can come to the Trail Summit to let us know so the we can come up with solutions. These Trail Summits are a good way, as we've addressed these areas they are great because hopefully we can show them to people who fund grants. We have been doing the Trail Summits for the past few years and the main thing the committee has been doing is coming up with Trail Management Objectives (TMO's). They are all what these little segments are on the maps. The Borough GIS Analyst takes the existing data from the GPS information for these trails so we know what the grade is, how eroded it is, and she puts all that information together for each segment. The most important part is the landowner; if a trail crosses over to a different landowner, it gets a different TMO. Different landowners has different issues. For example, some landowners allow four- wheelers so we need different TMO's for each segment with a different landowner. The TMO's are Parks and Recreation Trains Summit Minutes Page 1 of 9 April 5,2016 not the law, we just come up with how the trails are used. When we apply for a grant we can say the public addressed this and what its needs are. People who give money out for grants are much more likely to accept it. We've done the TMO's and at these Trail Summits we've been coming up with big projects with each area. We put together an ORTAB grant for the Russian Ridge area to build a trail around Beaver Lake and to build a bridge at the far end of Von Scheele because all the four-wheelers were going in the lake area. For Jack and Lee Lakes, we saw one of the biggest needs is to get some easements to be get from Jack and Lee Lakes out to the public land with native land in between because there are no easements across it. Tonight we want your input, we've pretty much finished the TMO's for this area. We are going to come up with a overall statement about them from the input received tonight, and we may come up with areas that need some more work. CHAIR SALTONSTALL called the break to allow everyone to view the maps and TMO's. 2. Introduction of the Kodiak Island Road System Trails Master Plan 3. Goals and Objectives of the Plan—Implementation of the Plan 4. Trails Summit Concept 5. Trail Management Objective (TMO) Development for Trails 6. Accomplishments BREAK BREAK BREAK BREAK AUDIENCE MAY VIEW TRAIL MAPS AND TMO'S B) Pillar Mountain to Bells Flats via Burma Road Trails System 1. Introduction CHAIR SALTONSTALL stated you have had the chance to look at it and he gave a summary of his general impressions of what the committee found during the TMO process. We're going to take what we learn here to come up with some projects of what the main priorities are and attach it with these, and it will become part of the public record. We showed different areas on the map that has erosion issues, talked about seasonal use, two bridges that need to be repaired and washed out trail, parts of the trail not suitable for four-wheelers. He opened it up for public input. 2. Review of Issues Identified During the Trails Plan Process for Pillar Mountain to Bells Flats via Burma Road Trails 3. Audience Comments — Pillar Mountain to Bells Flats via Burma Road Trail System (Three Minutes per Speaker). Eric Linscheid stated for A13, he volunteered his help in replacing the bridge There's also a portion of a trail for about % mile that's been eroded with the rains the last two years so maybe you could redesign the trail or to connect it. Mike Sirofchuck thanked the committee and stated he hasn't had the time to read over the materials but he's walked many of those segments shown on the map. He thinks a trail that starts at the bottom of Pillar Mountain and went all the way to the Rendezvous or farther would be a great idea. Anything we can do to encourage that for hiking, biking, or whatever. Burma Road is in really bad shape but it seems like it's something we may want to think about as an emergency access for vehicles, worst case scenario it might be the only way to get to Bells Flats. It would require millions of dollars of work but it's an idea to think about. He appreciates the committee's work on this. Sandra West stated she agrees with both gentlemen and she thinks it's a great idea if we can get a connection between Pillar Mountain and Bells Flats. As Sirofchuck said, that section after you get to the fairgrounds over to the Rendezvous which also accesses all the residents would be great. A bridge sounds good, this part here was really steep, maybe clean up the trucks but then we don't know the name of the trail if we clean up the trucks. Parks and Recreation Trails Summit Minutes Page 2 of 9 April 5,2016 COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN said he'd be interested in hearing other people's thoughts on this. He is conflicted because there is a trail from Pillar Mountain all the way to the fairgrounds and he rides it a lot. There are some rough sections and some creek crossings. He thinks it's a great idea to have the Burma Road as an alternative route if some of the Chiniak Highway gets washed out because we've seen it happen, and we know it's going to happen again. On the other hand, he likes a challenging trail, it's all walkable and rideable now even if you do get your feet wet, and there are some rough sections. If we make it better we're going to be encouraging more people to use it with less expertise so it's a conflict to him. He's not saying we shouldn't or should, he would like to hear more of what people thing about that conflict. Jim Willis stated he thinks if you open that up you'll get more people out there using it, and more people than are supporting the activities that you are doing and maybe volunteering to improve things. You don't want to take away all the hard stuff that you are saying but you want people to go out there and say hey, we've got this big, long trail. Maybe the Rendezvous would get really excited, look all these people are going to show up and have lunch here. He can support having that access where a lot of people can use it. Eric Linscheid stated one of the really rough sections of that trail is that if you drop down Pillar into Swampy Acres, the erosion over the last couple of years has just re-defined that trail. We use to do bike rides down it, races can't be sanctioned anymore because it's too steep so his question is how would you repair it or make it better. Second, what money would it take, would you have to recut the trail to the side. If you would have to recut the trail to the side, that's probably doable. It would be fun to go up there to look at options to see what could be done for a good price and labor. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said we actually made it not for four-wheelers because if you had it that wide it would have to be, to build the trail would cost too much because you'd have to go by certain guidelines so we actually lowered it so you could do more of just a little trail on that. That's what we thought of when we did the TMO.What we really want to hear is the problem areas and what areas do we want to fix. Steve Paulsen stated he agrees with Linscheid on his first comment, this area on A13 on Burma Road that is washed out completely needs a focus of attention but he's also in agreement with COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN to perhaps limiting the amount of construction on that road. An alternative to the Chiniak Highway, he's not sure he understands that, the State is responsible for keeping up that road, correct. If it were to, he thinks we could get an immediate repair on that. He can't see a mass influx of people going from Bells Flats on Burma Road. There are other sections of that road, up here, that are pretty rocky. He's a little concerned that you want to bite off more than you can chew here. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said small projects are what will probably be happening. C] Next Area for TMO'S—Saltery to Miam to Pasagshak 1. Introduction CHAIR SALTONSTALL said this is going to be our focus for the next year but if you have any comments on that whole area. He's been hearing a lot today about how from Lake Miam to Pasagshak isn't getting any use at all, that the trail is in such bad shape it's not being used. That's the kind of feedback that we want. Just tell us what you said during the break or write them down and we will start incorporating them into the TMO's. Steve Paulsen stated he tried to bike this section of trail last summer in August and it was almost impassable due to being overgrown. He hiked it five years ago and it was much better so there's very little four-wheeler traffic on it, and it is a dual track. It needs to be cleared up which is his biggest concern. The section of trail all the way from Saltery to Miam is actually pretty good. He doesn't recall there being any issues there. His other concern is this eastern most track from Summit to Miam is just impassable with mostly swamp. What needs to happen is a focus on pushing traffic up to that ridgeline so they can bypass that swamp area. Pushing four-wheelers Parks and Recreation Trails Summit Minutes Page 3 of 9 April 5,2016 down to that area is just compounding the situation because it's never going to be passable, it's a huge swamp and it's deep. Mitigating the amount of damage the four-wheelers are doing to that area is pretty huge too. Mike Sirofchuck stated he wished he knew which trail Paulsen was on because when he walked from Saltery to the Miam section it was boggy, muddy, the trail was in terrible shape, and it was awful. This was before the race and it's his understanding that after that ATV race last year the trail was in even worse condition than it was before. The fact that we've had 33 inches of rain in the last three months he really hopes that ATV race won't happen again. When he was on that trail there were bogs and they have become braided because one area gets bottomed out so the ATV's just keep going wider. There were lots of places where you could see the Alders had been cut and tried to fill in mud holes and so forth. He even found the occasional piece of geo-block randomly just sitting in the mud or in the marsh here and there, but generally not to any good effect. Anything that happens when you go east of Saltery is going to require probably tens of thousands of dollars if you are going to try to bring it up to ATV grade because it needs gravel, and he doesn't think geo-block is enough, you will need culverts, gravel, and so forth. That's just in that section from Saltery Cove to get to the Miam section, and then from Miam over to Pasagshak there are some parts where the old ranch road is still good but there are also bottomless bogs. The problem with that trail is what do you do on your ATV when you get to Pasagshak. There is no crossing of that river, that road that goes through the subdivision is maintained by the residents out of their own pockets, and as one of those residents he wouldn't want to be paying for what might tum into an ATV trail if this trail starts getting a lot more use. He would be looking to the borough or the trails committee for some remedy if that were to happen. Kodiak just doesn't have the soils or terrain in the sense of the composition that really lends itself well to heavy motorized vehicles, and he's seen it time and time again and he's certainly seen it on that trail. The idea of trying to work on the Saltery Cove Road to improve access there so more people could use that makes sense. That is a road, there has been some work done on it already. That makes sense but anything east of that other than that trail that goes from the Olds River into Summit and Miam, that's had a lot of work on it as we know. Trying to keep that going makes sense but to really make them appropriate and to minimize or eliminate damage from ATV's is really going to take a lot. Foot traffic seems to be OK if you don't mind getting your feet wet. He went up to his knees in places and that was during a dry period. It's kind of like what COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN said about the other one, to him as a hiking route it's great, there is a noticeable enough trail in almost all areas although as Paulsen pointed out it is getting overgrown. You can fairly well follow it, route finding isn't that difficult. For bikes, he heard some bikers say "was it you who pushed your bike ten miles" so it would definitely need some work there. The question is do we want really good trails in terms of the tread and so forth or do we want to kind of have routes that are a little more challenging and maybe keep the numbers down a little bit. When he was on the Parks and Recreation Committee, he knew Andy Schroeder was getting some grant money to work on the Miam trail, from the Olds River up to Miam, and there were some old timers that called themselves the Kodiak ATV Club who were rather incensed that government money was being used to do trail work there. That kind of puzzled him but in talking to them one of the things he discovered was they like the fact that the trail wasn't in very good shape so it meant only a few people could actually make it up there. People with the ability and experience to ride their ATV's up there and it sort of kept out the rift raft. Part of their objections to the improvements was that it would open it up to a lot more people and use. That's the balance you are always trying to work with. Right now, it seems that Saltery to Pasagshak is OK for hiking and other things not so good right now. Andy Schroeder, Island Trails Network Executive Director, stated Island Trails Network is under contract with the borough for several trail projects. We assist the borough with acquiring funding and labor to maintain our trails. In some ways we are clients and other ways we are customer. We work closely with the borough in a number of ways; both on a grassroots level and on a contracting basis to do trail work. He just wants to give some general comments on his perspective on the trail system and what it takes to maintain it. There are 350 miles or so of trails on the road system. That is a lot of trails per capita. We continue to selectively to try to build more, we have a great and Parks and Recreation Trails Summit Minutes Page 4 of 9 April 5,2016 expansive trail system. We have a diverse set of trail users; motorized, non-motorized, full size vehicles, baby strollers, trail runners, and mountain bikers. Each of them has a right to use and enjoy our trail system, and each deserves the outdoor recreational experience that Kodiak can provide. His suggestion is as you go through this TMO process, as the funding for trails is increasingly hard to come by, some of our long standing funding mechanism like Recreational Trails Program (RTP) money which makes improvements to our local trails are threatened, they are still here but those funds are diminished and more difficult to come by. His suggestion would be to try to; maintain trails for each user group, and have a trail for everyone. He doesn't feel every trail needs to be for everyone but with the number of miles of trail per capita you really can push some activities to certain trails and some to different trails, and some are multiple-user groups where we all enjoy the trail. Others may be for one user group or another. He would limit to the extent possible the built structures, sometimes you can't get around it, and sometimes you need a bridge but bridges are very expensive. For every bridge that's built it's a lot of trail that can't be brushed, erosion issues that can't be dealt with, and other built structures that won't get attention. In the oil days when there was a lot of money we tend to build and possibly over build. He thinks in the future we need to be selective about what built structures we put up because they need to be maintained and replaced. He advocates for a minimalistic approach to structures and to the trails. Part of that can be done through management and encouraging folks to use trails in places where the ground can sustain it, where we have appropriate sub-straights, rocky areas, etcetera. Specifically for Miam, there doesn't need to be a loop there. That area that Steve Paulsen was talking about it is every bit as bad and maybe worse than he described. He doesn't think you would have any objections to just wiping those off the map. You would eliminate one of the biggest criticisms and threats to trails that are threats to natural resources; the salmon habitat and wetlands. If you de-commission a portion of that trail he thinks you would probably only end up helping everyone, he thinks the only people that go there are probably doing it by accident. You can do these things through passive measures. They don't need to be done by enforcement; it can be signs, and public service announcements. He thinks this is how we need to continue to move forward through trails management. That and a minimalist approach he thinks we can continue to have world class trails even with reduced funding. Erin Lester stated regarding trail users and multiple different users of different ability levels; she thinks we need to review our trail system as, from a public health perspective we live in Alaska, we have access to outdoor recreation but we also have tough weather in Kodiak. She sees many people in her office who are struggling with their mood throughout the winter, obesity, and we need to encourage everyone in our community to get out and move to maintain their health. Again making trails accessible for all users of all ability levels is important. Kari Eschenbacher stated she thinks if you are able to put some TLC into some trails, she's not saying they have to be perfect, if we put that out and it attracts more users that would be a wonderful thing. People need to get outside more. They will appreciate the outdoors and the trails more. There are still plenty of other trails on Kodiak that are hard enough for those who want to do more above and beyond and not be around people as much. Steve Paulsen stated he thinks the Pasagshak gated community is probably the reason why this section of trail is so overgrown, probably the lack of people coming out of Pasagshak or realizing that there's no way out unless you know someone. It's preventing people from traveling there. He wants the committee to keep that thought in mind. Also, this section of trail here is in dire need of repair just south of the fork, right where that black dot is. They were doing construction on that some time ago but evidently, they have quit. He doesn't know what brought that about, who was doing it, but there was a lot of work going on but it seems to have stopped. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said those black dots are salmon crossings. Paulsen showed them on the map where he was talking about. It's the third black dot. He said it is pretty rough right there. The trail that is there (inaudible)the old farm road. Janel Day, GIS Analyst, found the place on the map. Parks and Recreation Trails Summit Minutes Page 5 of 9 April 5,2016 CHAIR SALTONSTALL asked if anyone knew what happened to the old bridge, there used to be another bridge that crossed at that area that kind of just got torn down. Did it get ripped out. I guess we can't rebuild it because people probably wouldn't allow that. He asked Mike Sirofchuck if he remembers the old bridge. Mike Sirofchuck stated he does remember the old bridge but only vaguely. We bought our lot in 2001 and at that time the old bridge was already gone. It's his understanding that it was used and abused until it fell into the water. The problem now is all the land that's across the river there is actually private owned and even that apparent road that comes into those last little cabins that Smoky owns, there is no easement there, it's all private lots. Even to try to replace that bridge you would have to buy or acquire easements or something. Everything across the river is private land until you get to the State Park boundary across the river. Some of you may have seen the sign there but if you are looking across the river, looking at the bridge then heading down towards the mouth of the river, as long as you see a house on the right that is private land on the other side of the river there. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said just for the record, when we decide the area to make the TMO's for we have it ending at about that salmon crossing. He thinks we decided to not include the Pasagshak area, we had it end right around there. COMMITTEE MEMBER JOHNSON said we deleted the entire Portage trail because we knew it was going into private property and we wanted to leave that as a separate chunk at a different time. Mike Sirofchuck stated one point about the Portage trail is he does know that people walk across the river or carry their bikes across and then ride that. There really isn't a place for a vehicles or ATV's to cross. He does know people that have walked across to access the trail. Sirofchuck is talking about the area where the current bridge is now. ? stated further up is State land. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said there will be more chances to comment because we will be working on this one for a while. This area will come up again at the Trail Summit in the fall. CHAIR SALTONSTALL stated we've already heard a few of these but you can have comments about, do you have any other areas that you want us to see about examine some other place. Any other issues you see somewhere on the trails, this is your chance to comment on that. 2. Audience Comments (Three Minutes per Speaker) D) Audience Comments on Road System Trail Issues (Three Minutes per Speaker) 1. Identify Project Ideas, Talk about Trail Conditions, and Issues Tom Lance stated he lives on the back side, the dark side of Russian Ridge. He would have no problem with people using trails as long as they respect them but back there off the end of A2 extending out on Russian Ridge, just in the last six years there's been a growing group of people that are using that and they are pioneering trails everywhere. They are using fat tired motorcycles and ATV's going right up wet draws. There's an old historic wagon road that went over the top from about where the city reservoir tanks are, there's an old wagon road that was also a military road that went over the top and down into basically Marmot Road. There are pieces of that that they are trying to climb up and there's also another stretch that has a little ridge that runs parallel to the highway towards overlooking the landfill where they are also pioneering to now. Every time he goes back there, he's a casual hiker, he just gets disgusted and he goes to Abercrombie so he doesn't have to look at it. He's a Soil Conservationist by trade and many years ago he worked on some of these trails with the Conservation District when he first moved here in 2003. Some of the old ATVer's were concerned about as we develop these trails it would just encourage more people to use them and that's why they didn't approve. Like Sirofchuck and Schroeder said everybody knows our soils, our moisture regime don't necessarily jive for high traffic ability of some of these places. They may be appropriate for foot traffic or really light use by ATV's, maybe some of the Parks and Recreation Trails Summit Minutes Page 6 of 9 April 5,2016 most erodible trails but highly desirable for ATV's or some commercial purpose perhaps, sight- seeing and that sort of thing, and ATV ventures. Maybe we need to do what has been done elsewhere like the Salmon River; access permits, or like the boundary waters of northern Minnesota; meter out permits to allow only a certain amount of people into the back country on certain trails that are more apt that can take more use. Let more people use it but on those specific areas that have certain values, that need more protection maybe we have to have some sort of permit system and then that permit system could in turn help fund trail maintenance projects. He's not saying that's for everywhere but it's an idea. His biggest concern is making these trails and then not enforcing the abusers. They are ripping right up (inaudible) then we get the big rain that blows it right out because there is a wheel track right up the middle of a wet meadow. COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN said he thinks we all share that concern. Unfortunately, he doesn't know if we have any ability to do the enforcement necessary to get to that point. We're all worried about those issues. CHAIR SALTONSTALL stated he thinks things have gotten better. For him, he thinks education. He thinks people are starting to get their areas, like Saltery Cove is a great area for four-wheelers. There's a great road and that's a great area. Since he's been here people get their areas; the hikers go to Termination Point, the four-wheelers go to Saltery Cove. Tom Lance would like to agree with that and said again information and education is what we need more of. Maybe a little more signage and a budget for signs because they will get shot up. More information and maybe a red, yellow, green symbol on the Island Trails Network website to indicate trail suitability for activity if it's really whether people don't know that maybe they shouldn't go out there, they just don't think of things like that. Maybe some trail stop signs program; education. CHAIR SALTONSTALL stated that brings up one of the problems with our trail maps and TMO's is a lot of it is based on what the trail is suited for is written on there. He remembers on the Trails Map we had Abercrombie was suitable for four-wheelers, and people were thinking they could ride a four-wheeler in there when clearly you can't. We almost need another sign, another category for a lot of our trails because right now the way it's done is if it's a road it's suitable for cars, if it's five feet wide it's suitable for four-wheelers when that's not always the case. Kari Eschenbacher stated she thinks education and signage is really important. We are now starting to get some signs up. Island Trails Network is doing some of those wood plaques but she thinks saying what is suitable, what isn't, distance, and those kinds of things would help everyone. It may discourage people who have a bad idea on a bad weather day, or try to do a four-wheeler down a narrow trail. She's seen people stuck on trails on their four-wheelers or trying to dig their four-wheeler out. Signage would definitely help in some areas. Tom Lance stated the Iditerock is scheduled to run again this year. It's the ATV race that runs from Middle Bay over to Saltery and Miam route like they did last year. They are going to do it again this year. He saw a sign for it at Spenard's. He thinks this time they have three classes; single rider ATV, side by side ATV, and dirt bike. We have to tell people that some things just aren't appropriate in these areas, and this race is not appropriate back there. ? asked if that path cross multiple landowner's. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said for the most part, no. You can tell that these maps have all the different landowner's and all the blue is State land. The first part is Leisnoi but there is an easement across it. In years past, our TMO's for like Burma Road to Pillar Mountain was multiple landowner's. The TMO's this year have a lot less landowners. We will only have six or seven TMO's because the trail segments don't cross anything. Mike Sirofchuck stated he was very upset about the Iditerock last year, and he did everything in his power to stop it. To be frank, he contacted State DNR and was told that if there were less than fifty participants they don't need any sort of permit to do it on State land. He communicated directly with the gentlemen whose first name is Leonard, who was more or less the organizer of the race. He Parks and Recreation Trails Summit Minutes Page 7 of 9 April 5,2016 tried to appeal to his good judgement and good sense because we had a heavy rainy period right before the date that race was scheduled and Sirofchuck asked him to at least consider postponing it until there was drier weather and Leonard didn't see that as a necessity. Sirofchuck was told that the participants, the racers were going to volunteer to do trail work so the trail would be in better shape after the race than it was before. To the best of his knowledge, that volunteer trail work did not happen. It does concern him that this is the first he's heard that it's going to happen again because they just announced today that we had 30 inches of rain in the first three months. That's even rainier that it was last year. How do you educate people about such things when they don't want to hear the education. In terms of landowners, they had a permit from Leisnoi to cross their land and then the rest was on State land, and DNR said as long as there is less than fifty people they can have their race and DNR doesn't have any say over it. Jim Willis asked if that would be something the committee would look at as far as saying something to the State or anything like that. Do you have any pull to say something like "if you look at it after the race, there is continued erosion." CHAIR SALTONSTALL said we could put it on our agenda. COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN said it's his guess that we are all sensitive to that same problem just as much as people here. He certainly would be happy to talk about it but he doesn't know if there is any recourse that we would have as a committee. Jim Willis (inaudible) CHAIR SALTONSTALL asked when the race is. Jim Willis said he believes it is May 21". CHAIR SALTONSTALL said he'll try to make sure it's on our next agenda but we don't have a lot of authority. COMMITTEE MEMBER JOHNSON stated we could ask Leisnoi to have their representative come by, and at that same time ask Leonard when their trail maintenance is going to happen because Schroeder said they didn't do any maintenance on the trail last year after the race. Schroeder stated they were going to provide a donation (inaudible). COMMITTEE MEMBER JOHNSON asked Schroeder of to his knowledge was there any donations or actual physical work done by the group. Schroeder verified there was no donation (inaudible). COMMITTEE MEMBER MILLSTEIN said realistically, any donation that would be meaningful in terms of trail work, would be much more than what they had raised during the race. There is no way they are going to donate enough to harden a bog that they trashed. It's not feasible. CHAIR SALTONSTALL said in his opinion, one of the best things that people can do is to take photos before the race because then you can have a before and after. That may be very useful down the road. Sandra West stated how about we all go out there to clean up all the trash before the race, take photos of that, and then take photos after. COMMITTEE MEMBER WOLKOFF stated this may be a good time to put in a plug for the Kodiak Island Racing Association. They have memberships available and it's not just for racing. It may take a couple of people off the trails. CHAIR SALTONSTALL stated as a committee, we have always advocated for a mud park, a place where people can go to do whatever you want. Kodiak does need that. ? stated the loop around Miam is unnecessary but as far as he can see the loop around Summit as well, the western side of that there isn't much there. There is a perfectly good trail on the eastern side of Summit, but that western side is right in the lake, which could be eliminated. Parks and Recreation Trails Summit Minutes Page 8 of 9 April 5,2016 Andy Schroeder said Island Trails Network did the eastern passage around Summit Lake as a project in 2008. It was to provide a more sustainable route past Summit Lake and to eliminate the need for the western portion of the trail around the lake, which does go into the lake. That is a fish bearing lake and that trail goes right through spawning habitat. A fair amount of money went into providing five bridges and segments of geo-block. What we ended up with was two routes around Summit; you can pick your route. Part of the reason we've been trying to get into signage at ITN is to try to provide a mechanism to know what the right thing is and then it's up to the people to choose it. A lot of times people don't' know what the right thing is and they may not even think that they are riding through habitat. The other question he would pose is; before we had a Code Enforcement Officer, we still had zoning and the lack of resources to enforce something doesn't mean we can't say what is right, what is appropriate, or what is legal. Again, we need people to know what the right thing is and that's one way of doing it. Whether or not there's an Enforcement Officer there handing out tickets is another issue. CHAIR SALTONSTALL thanked the public for coming. COMMUNICATIONS -None REPORTS Meeting Schedule: • April 26, 2016 Parks& Recreation Committee meeting -7:00 p. - KIB Conference Room • May 24, 2016 Parks & Recreation Committee meeting -7:00 p.m. - KIB Conference Room COMMITTEE MEMBER JOHNSON MOVED to accept reports. VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AUDIENCE COMMENTS None COMMITTEE MEMBER'S COMMENTS None ADJOURNMENT COMMITTEE MEMBER LEIST MOVED to adjourn. CHAIR SALTONSTALL adjourned the Trail Summit at 8:25 p.m. Kt� ISLA CD BOR UPA K A D RTIOOMMI E By: w. Pat ' Saltons , r ATTEST: a By: Sheila Smith, Secretary Community Development Department APPROVED: April 26, 2016 Parks and Recreation Trails Summit Minutes Page 9 of 9 April 5,2016