2013-02-26 Regular Meeting RE: 'JED
PARKS & RECREATION COMMITTEE I
REGULAR MEETING FEBRUARY 26, 2013 7:0 p hn. MAY - 6 2013
KODIAK ISLAND BOROUGH SCHOOL DISTRICT CONFERS CE ROOM
MINUTES BOROUGH CLERK'S OFFICE
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February 26, 2013 Regular Meeting 7 p.m. in the KIB School I istyict Conference Room
CALL TO ORDER
CHAIR SALTONSTALL called to order the February 26, 2013 Parks & Recreation regular
meeting at 7 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Requested excusal was Pam Foreman, Mike Marion, and Jeff Huntley
Committee members present were Patrick Saltonstall, Andy Schroeder, Rick Lindholm,
Helm Johnson, and Michael Scalzo. Excused were Pam Foreman, Mike Marion, and Jeff
Huntley. Sandra West has resigned. Ex-officio member present was Alan Schmitt. Absent
ex-officio members were Jack Ransom, Aaron Griffin, and Steve Doerksen.
A quorum was established.
Community Development Department staff present was Duane Dvorak and Sheila Smith.
COMMITTEE MEMBER LINDHOLM MOVED to excuse Pam Foreman, Mike Marion, and Jeff
Huntley.
VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
COMMITTEE MEMBER LINDHOLM MOVED to move Old Business Item C up to A because
we have a representative from Sun'aq here and approve the agenda.
VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS
COMMITTEE MEMBER JOHNSON MOVED February 12, 2013 minutes.
VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
AUDIENCE COMMENTS AND APPEARANCE REQUESTS
There were none.
OLD BUSINESS
C) Sun'aq Buskin Land Deal -Bob Polaski - Invited
Dvorak stated the Sun'aq Tribe talked to staff almost a year ago and included are the
materials they provided at that time. This material is still accurate as it was at that time as
far as their intentions are.
Rick Roland, Natural Resource Director for Sun'aq Tribal of Kodiak and gave his
background of being originally from Afognak Island and born in Kodiak. He brought this
presentation to the borough to explain what's going on with the Sun'ag Tribe in relation to
what's going on with environmental issues in relation to the Coast Guard Base. The applied
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and received a grant allowed them to do an Environmental Capacity Building Project and
that project identified a number of capacity items related to environmental issues in our
area; some are or have been worked on, some are pretty significant, some are classified,
and so to approach these issues certain steps have to be taken. One step is creating a
relationship with the community, military, communicating with government officials to let
them know there are issues that need to be addressed in the Kodiak area. The Sun'aq Tribe
invited the Coast Guard to come and have an explanation of what we've identified in the
Capacity Environmental Grant. Tomorrow we'll be going to the Coast Guard Base to have a
Memorandum of Understanding signing event which is a significant historical thing, not
only for Kodiak Sun'aq Tribe but the Coast Guard as well, it's pretty significant for Alaska in
relation to the Homeland Security and Coast Guard. Regarding the information in your
packet, in that process with the politicians in Washington DC; Congress and Senate we had
the opportunity to talk about what happened when the military came to this tribe and
history says they came here and claimed a big load of property and said you can't go there
to get your customary foods anymore, it's closed off so that made a military reservation of
property so as time traveled through history there were 4 or 5 different branches of service
that came here and 5 or 6 different things occurred here that led to environmental issues.
As a result the traditional practices were removed from the natives, the military came in
and changed over time and some of the things they brought here was mass solid waste,
hazardous materials, and some of it is still here in the ground. Because the military was
focused on mission accomplishment they didn't pay attention to what kind of
environmental issues were occurring so we had the opportunity to look at it. There were a
lot of different branches of the military that came; the Army, Navy, Submarine era, Coast
0 Guard, and then the Department of Homeland Security is now in charge of the Coast Guard
and took over that land. Because no one paid attention to it and we are working towards
getting it cleaned up. Not only for us but for everyone in the community and the traditional
customary food source items that are out there. We started a salmon enhancement project
at the Buskin River, we've had meetings with the FAA about the potential paralytic shellfish
poisoning or additional salmon enhancement in relation to other programs needed here in
the community. Another grant we have is an Alaska Migratory Bird Co-Management
Council which is a big food source item for Alaska Natives as well as non-natives. It's all
related around food source items. The info in the packet it was realized that Sun'aq Tribal
Kodiak was dropped off the rolls during the ANCSA settlement era so it was a clerical error
that removed them from all the rolls related to recognizing Alaska Natives in this area, so
after 20 years of talking they were recognized so it does a number of things; one it explains
why the Sun'aq Tribe is only now stepping forward saying these kinds of things were going
on and we need to take a better look and take care of these things.
CHAIR SALTONSTALL stated that tribes never got blamed just ANCSA village corporations.
Roland stated because it was removed from that it didn't get to participate in all the
discussions about what needed to take place in their area so they didn't have that ability.
EX-OFFICIO MEMBER SCHMITT asked what about the Natives of Kodiak.
Roland stated there's another part of the explanation that connects to this. Natives of
Kodiak is a native corporation so a simple explanation is that a native corporation is a
business that is incorporated in the State of Alaska and is governed by all the State of
Alaska rules as a corporation, and then the state is a subsidiary of the Federal Government
and they are governed by Acts & Bills that are passed in Congress. The explanation of the
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native corporation is that they are a business and now you look at a tribe and the difference
between a tribe and native corporation is that a tribe is federally recognized government
that has jurisdiction over its tribal members and the customary traditional practices that it
has been afforded to by the Federal Government so it also has the ability to communicate
directly to the Federal Government so the tribe has the ability to call up the Department of
Interior and say we are having this issue and here's what we think would be in the best
interest for whatever the issue is and we'd like to work it out this way.A native corporation
doesn't have the ability to go directly to the Federal Government and communicate in that
way.
EX-OFFICIO MEMBER SCHMITT said with the land rights, like Ouzinkie Native Corporation,
it's the business corporation and then there's the Ouzinkie Tribal Council so the Natives of
Kodiak got land selection rights and got some land at Swampy Acres.
Roland said there's also Leisnoi Native Corporation in the Kodiak area, Ouzinkie Native
Corporation, and Natives of Kodiak so they are all land owners but they are not a tribe they
are a business incorporated under ANCSA. Historically, to answer the question is the tribal
community that wasn't recognized when the Russians came here were the Sun'ag so as
time changed then the rules were imposed upon the community and then the laws were
created and as time went on this community of natives that are here are the Sun'aq people.
When the Sun'aq people were here the military came in and said we're going to use this as
a military base and as time went on then the ANCSA happened and they were on that list of
recognized tribes but because someone dropped their name off the list they weren't
recognized as a tribe but they did incorporate groups of different natives. Another
explanation is the native corporation has individuals that had to be born by a certain date
but in the tribe there are Alaska natives from here that have been members of the tribe
when it began and all the children connected are not members of the corporation.
Explaining whether they are in the tribe in this area, yes it would be correct but because
they got dropped off the rolls they aren't connected to that ANCSA but there is the NOK in
this are that made that selection. We are moving forward taking into account everything
that has occurred in history, the rules and regulations of the Federal Government & State
Government, and making sure the correct path is taken to where it will be the least
resistance and most beneficial for the customary traditional practices and the environment
so that the people that are a part of the tribe will be able to interact with that lifestyle.
CHAIR SALTONSTALL said the committee's main question is there will be guaranteed
access for the public. If Sun'aq gets land we would have guaranteed access because a lot of
people recreate there today.
Roland stated to clarify at this point we call it a land acquisition plan but the process that
has to occur because there was a large amount of land taken and a lot of it has been
divested, distributed out and there's only a small portion of this property left within the
Coast Guard. The likelihood of this being a mass land transfer is very slim. Right now the
Sun'aq Tribe doesn't have any idea which land is available to them, the only point we're at
for the movement towards this land acquisition plan whether it's a grant from the Federal
Government, whether it's a fee simple purchase, or whether it's a co-management lease
agreement hasn't been decided yet. A lot of the maps available from the Coast Guard, they
really don't have a designated location of what it is they have exactly. We went to
Washington DC to communicate to Murkowski's Office to ask them for helping us to get the
maps from the Coast Guard. It's a long drawn out process to where we have been
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requesting maps from the Coast Guard for well over a year and there was no progress was
from them not having the appropriate maps to be able to give us so we had to communicate
with Senator Murkowski's Office to request a Senate inquiry if when we wrote to District
17 requesting the information we had a difficult time. We were able to acquire maps, and at
this point we haven't had discussions with the Coast Guard about what properties are
available or what ability the tribe would have to access any of that land or even have part of
it but we did call this our Land Acquisition Plan because it's in the long term goal of the
tribe to obtain property in the Kodiak Island Borough so that the tribe could work with
developing the salmon enhancement program, and hopefully in the future build a
customary traditional practice facility to where crafts and skills can be developed,
educational opportunities could happen, and festivals and ceremonies could occur. It's all
in a big plan and we don't have any specific examples of this is the land we will take or
what the rules are related to it.
CHAIR SALTONSTALL said when you were telling me about it last fall you said there would
be a public community involvement, is that still going to happen.
Roland said one thing we are doing is we're going to have a community advisory committee
that communicates to the council. In that committee it will relate to environmental issues
that connect with the military debris, water and air quality issues. That is still in the making
because they are at the point of making the ordinance that will move forward in that
department connecting to the Strategic Plan. The other thing connected to this is that when
we have the MOU signing tomorrow and then another thing we were able to (inaudible)
Tribal Response Program. We were granted the Tribal Response Program from the
Environmental Protection Agency to specifically address the military debris which is over
100 years of military debris that's still in the ground. We're looking to find ways to
categorize and prioritize what was done, what needs to be done, and what's on the highest
priority of those items. There are mass solid waste and toxic hazardous substances. The
difference between what a tribe is in Alaska and what a native corporation is and one thing
afforded to a Native American Indian Tribe which Alaska natives are a part of American
Indian Tribes is they have the right to determine their own self sovereignty and so a native
corporation which is a business under the State of Alaska has limited business functions
that they fall through but a tribe in Alaska has the same rights as a tribe in the lower 48.
Fortunately for us is the Sun'aq Tribe of Kodiak has the vision of working with the whole
community and not against the community to where it turns out the best for our
community. There are also opportunities in the tribe that the tribe could access specific
types of funding that native corporations, cities, and boroughs that aren't eligible for these
specific kinds of funding.
Roland said back to the information we have this was called an acquisition plan because we
have a lot of things the tribe wants to do that requires having land because we have the
salmon enhancement project and in order to do that we have to request permits from the
Alaska Fish & Game, permits from the U.S. Coast Guard, and work closely with the U.S. Fish
& Wildlife Service to implement this tribal wildlife salmon project and then if the tribe had
a place of their own they would have a reduced amount of permits they would have to
apply for. If we had a spot on the river we wouldn't have to apply for a transport permit
depending on what river it is. It also allowed us to communicate to the different agencies
about what we are going to do. Roland went through the presentation in the packet stating
we are at the MOU point tomorrow, there will be a public reading of it tomorrow at the
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Golden Anchor at 6 pm. Connected to the MOU it will be reviewed annually and is set for a 5
year Memorandum Of Understanding, and then with the potential of moving into a
Memorandum of Agreement about specific things needed.
Roland basically went through the letter and presentation in the packet. What land is
available and of that land what land is important to the mission and the Coast Guard
mission, and of that land what land of that land is surplus and of that surplus land what on
those surplus lands has environmental issues or hazards on it that need to be dealt with.
Before we get to recreational use we want to get it cleaned up because there's 100 years of
military debris that's out there all over and some of it is classified so we haven't got to that
point of who's going to do what and where. He doesn't see it coming up for quite a while.
They've done some extensive cleaning in the area and then because we are communicating
so much with the environmental protection agency, the Army Corp of Engineers, Senators
in Congress, the EPA gave them a grant to do a Technical Assistance Services Contractors
Grant and they contracted with an environmental group that did assessments of the top 3
sites that were remediated; of those top 3 sites they didn't have enough information on
those sites that are all on the Buskin River, 2 of those 3 sites haven't been cleaned to the
standard to where it's still healthy for the fish and wildlife. They are doing the salmon
enhancement planning project so they can do the water assessment to see if the water is
healthy enough not only for the fish but what type of substances are in there. We'll be
posting information online and holding public presentations about that information. We
are working towards being responsible environmental stewards in the community to work
to clean it up, try to find a way to make partnerships within the community, and if possible
• generate revenue into the community. We titled it The Land Acquisition while talking about
finding some land so we can do our traditional practices. We've been communicating with a
law firm in Washington DC and moving forward with all the government agencies and we
have an agency that's well known in Washington DC so we're able to make connections
with a group that turned out to be the oldest law firm in Washington DC
There was consensus that if there were a designated area for off road vehicles and perhaps
there wouldn't be as much traffic on the other trails.
Roland stated the area where the woodcutting is taking place is right past the landfill and is
the city's designated area for removing wood.
Discussion of the side trails and mud pits, creating certain trails or areas and channel
people in there and options.
Nick Beheler stated the motorized users are going to feel slighted in regards to walkers and
bikers can use their trails but then they can't use the walker's trail so it seems like the non-
motorized users are getting the best end of the deal.
Maya Daurio stated you have already identified within the TMO's some areas that are more
appropriate for ATV use and she showed one on the map.
Kamai said they work closely with the Code Enforcement Officer with a lot of issues in
which we have a mutual interest.
A) Russian Ridge Wrap Up with January 22, 2013 & April 24, 2012 Comments &
Minutes from Both Trail Summits
B) Current TMO's -Both Items Discussed Together
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Dvorak stated this is a draft recommendation from the items you discussed from the last
meeting where you adopted the TMO's with a couple of amendments. He was trying to
connect some dots between the Trails Plan so when people look at the TMO's they have a
context of where this whole process came from. These Trail Summit meetings are a place to
engage all the users and user groups to keep them engaged and if there are new conflicts to
dialog on these things to work out solutions, educate the public, and change the culture. He
was trying to set a tone for the future that each time it comes out it will go to the Planning
and Zoning on its way to the Assembly and would probably be approved kind of like the
lake rules where we have the assembly's approval as a policy matter. Take it home to look
at it and send him an email with suggested changes.
COMMITTEE MEMBER SCHROEDER MOVED to approve Russian Ridge TMO's Al through
A13 as amended.
VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
They came up with an outline of user conflicts: user conflicts, portion of that problem that
the non-motorized user their trail experience is getting degraded; the best solution is to
create a culture where the groups are more accommodating to each other, a hiking trail
around Beaver Lake with bridges, hardening of the main ridge trail, signage, enforcement,
education, woodcutting, areas that need improvement like Beaver Lake, hardening on the
main ridge trail, ATV park to divert some of the activity.
Nick Beheler stated that with an ATV park it's kind of like a rat in a cage on a wheel.
Dvorak stated looking at these issues was back when there was a lot of trail activity at
White Sands Beach and most of the trail degradation was occurring within a couple
hundred yards of the trail head and the trails we were observing were attracted to the
steepest slopes to challenge themselves and he thinks the take away was some of these
users are performance riders, that is the thrill is to jump and high mark and go fast over
bumpy roots and rocks and things. There are a lot of people who ride for recreation,
fishing, or going from point A to point B.
COMMITTEE MEMBER SCHROEDER stated Swampy Acres would be perfect, there's
hardened road beds there, it has a winter use and we're already maintaining the corridor
and there's a lot of trail back there mileage wise. The Coast Guard has shown with a strong
community involvement they would be open to opening up some of those areas.
Dvorak said if you see something in the Trails Plan that you want to capture let him know.
Email any comments to Dvorak if you think of anything so he can get a draft done before
the next meeting.
NEW BUSINESS
A) KIB Parks Memo
CHAIR SALTONSTALL stated this is the one from Bells Flats from Briana Peterson.
Dvorak stated it appears that Breanna Peterson may have made this initial contact that
resulted in this memo being put out by Engineering & Facilities. The bulk of it talks about
the need for a Parks Plan, not just the Bells Flats Park, but maybe an inventory of all parks
and some sort of rational plan arrived at to promote Capital Projects or Capital
Improvements that would bring these parks up to a minimum standard of acceptability. At
your last meeting's discussion about the memo that came from Woody Koning sparked a
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discussion about suggesting or recommending that there be a park plan before they start
making park improvements in Womens Bay. The borough has received $100,000 grant
specifically for Womens Bay parks, there's 2 parks designated, Sargent Creek Park and
Panamaroff Creek Park and he thinks Panamaroff Creek Park has some improvements and
playground equipment but he thinks Sargent Creek Park has nothing. Koning doesn't have
any idea of what the community's needs are out there so he's not sure how it should be
spent. Dvorak looked at the grant which is good until 2017. If we put together a planning
process and have some Womens Bay community meetings Koning could detail Bob Tucker
with playground equipment catalogs and let people design the park and put numbers with
it then put it out for contract for ordering and installing the equipment. He also found a
letter from 2011 where the borough Parks & Rec Committee had a joint meeting with the
City Parks & Rec Committee and put out a letter recommending a Joint City/Borough Parks
Master Plan and gave a copy to Cassidy and recommended money be put into next year's
budget for a Master Plan and a copy to the City Manager. Dvorak contacted a planner who
stepped him through a process that he could develop a cost estimate from it. He came up
with a cost estimate of$50,000 for a relatively basic City/Borough Parks Master Plan. The
Trails Plan could tie into that. He's seen several references to a joint city approach to park
planning.
COMMITTEE MEMBER JOHNSON stated we the City doesn't have a Parks & Recreation
Director, and day before yesterday we just had our first meeting since September. We can't
have a meeting without a director, and there's not one in the foreseeable future.
During discussion CHAIR SALTONSTALL stated Ian Fulp used to talk to us about playing
0 fields. COMMITTEE MEMBER SCHROEDER talked about the lack of and the need of playing
fields.
Nick Beheler stated there are National Standards for playgrounds and there are certified
people who come out to inspect playgrounds and tell you exactly what's wrong with it. It's
a concept made up by the National Recreation Parks Association that has a check list they
go down that tells you exactly how parks should be built depending on age groups, location,
and what not. He's been out to Panamaroff Park and couldn't believe his eyes because it
should be closed off and dug up because it's a danger to every kid that sets foot on that
playground.
There was consensus to get catalogs and lot sizes, have one community meeting with the
Womens Bay Service District and the community for their input to find out what they want
in the 2 parks. Dvorak said he will bring the backup material to the next meeting along with
lot sizes.
Dvorak said he sat in on an assembly meeting where Alan Austerman and Gary Stevens
were there, and with the changing times they were discouraging smaller projects, long lists
and discouraging non-essentials which would probably include most Parks & Recreation
projects. The Assembly went back to revise their CIP List. Dvorak said we are in the budget
process now and he'll see if some contractual money can be made available from general
fund money to do some kind of park plan. Dvorak will talk to the city and maybe be able to
come back with some kind of proposal.
B) P&Z Public Hearings
Dvorak said there was discussion about what P&R wanted to see from P&Z. We included
Alan Schmitt's email discussing the timing issues of bringing P&R comments forward to
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P&Z. P&R wants to see everything so Dvorak included the P&R code that sets up the P&R's
duties and responsibilities of the committee. He stated we'll give you the full agenda so you
can see all the cases but the things that we would go into detail is subdivisions and land
disposals and things that have a recreational component. There are things that the
committee doesn't have any reason to comment on so he'd prefer not to give a much detail
on everything but give what is relevant to the committee. There are 3 subdivisions here
and a couple of land disposal reviews. Dvorak sent an email to COMMITTEE MEMBER
SCHROEDER because there was this unusual pedestrian access easement running along
between these lots and even though it may not be relevant to this case someone would
have to go in there to make improvements because he doesn't think anyone has used it. The
reason they are replatting is because they're putting boundaries on an anadromous water
body that would probably need a bridge or a fjord to put this in service. They're looking to
vacate the utility easement that's between the property lines but this pedestrian access
easement is going to stay. As far as the other cases he doesn't see any relevancy for
recreational potential. Dvorak updated them on the land disposals that are surplus.
COMMUNICATIONS
A) Discussion of P&R Comments to the P&Z
COMMITTEE MEMBER SCHROEDER MOVED to accept communications from February 26,
2013 meeting.
VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
REPORTS
Meeting Schedule:
• March 12, 2013 Parks & Recreation Committee meeting at 7:00 p.m. in the KIB
School District Conference Room
• March 26, 2013 Parks & Recreation Committee meeting at 7:00 p.m. in the KIB
School District Conference Room
COMMITTEE MEMBER SCHROEDER MOVED to accept reports.
VOICE VOTE ON MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
AUDIENCE COMMENTS
Phillip Tschersich spoke about the Sun'aq land deal. He's familiar with Fish & Game
operations along the road system and he's speaking as a private individual. The gentlemen
mentioned discussed a pie chart and what a small sliver of that pie chart is represented by:
subsistence and personal use, and in overall Alaska in fisheries context that is the case but
included in the non-subsistence, non-sport that was probably all Bering Sea Fisheries;
Pollock, mid water, trawling, pot fisheries, there's hundreds of thousands of seafood
collected around the state every year and relative to that is subsistence for personal use is a
tiny, tiny, fraction of that. The State of Alaska Department of Fish & Game does require
subsistence permits to be used and it's not to limit anyone to access resources because
those have a priority according to the State Constitution. He gave more of an update on the
fisheries, weirs, subsistence fishing, stocking lakes, and other trails.
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COMMITTEE MEMBER'S COMMENTS
Rick Lindholm stated we should invite 'IT Kamai and he's an avid 4 wheeler and would
understand what's going on up there.
ADJOURNMENT
COMMITTEE MEMBER SCHROEDER MOVED to adjourn.
CHAIR SALTONSTALL adjourned the meeting at 9:10 p.m. / (--\KODIAVISLAND BOROUGH •
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